KF Speculation 🤔 The end of kiwifarms

[I Love You]

Josh is too fat and lazy to try to get a shit job that will hire anyone. Instead, he'll probably keep the grift going on MATI. He'll beg for crypto and pretend that he's working on getting KF back up. He'll be this weirdo you hear mentioned every once in a while who claims to be a "free speech martyr" while trying to memory hole all the censorship that happened on his website and dumbasses on the Internet will lap it up.

 

[FateTestarossa]

I was just wondering: Suppose KF is gone for good, where does Null go from here? he's been banned from the banking system, he's been made infamous in the English-speaking world and he says he can't find a tech job. So does he just live in a cave somewhere? unable to have a credit card or bank account, unable to live normally back in the USA.

Kiwifarms is Josh‘s entire life.

I don’t think he is being honest whenever he hints he is going to quit to have a normal life and a family. If he was, he would, have quitted, or compromised, along time ago. At the very least, he is lying to himself.

For good or bad he has sacrificed a lot just to keep the forum around. I mean going to a whole other country, and getting banned from evey social network, bank and, and payment processor are not pains you endure just “for laughs”. And he is not going to trow the towel that easily after everything he has sacrificed

He is way more dependent to it than he is willing to admit. His entire income comes from donations. And he is basically unemployable in any job with a company that could be tied to internet drama. Aka every tech job ever. At least Moot had plausible deniability with 4chan

Plus Being the owner Kiwifarms does give him a lot of power he enjoys. Just having a thread on Kiwifarms is something that terrifies some people, and that he hasn’t been afraid to weaponize. In a way, it is like having a personal army.

I have no doubt Josh is not going to give up, unless there is literally no more money and/or no way to keep the site online on the clear net. Until then, he will keep trying.

Spite , not free speech, has always been his strongest motivator.

 

[ChaoticPizzaParty]

In all honesty, I admired the motivations of free speech but Josh is not a good advocate because he is a cow and he has so many bizarre takes. Like him wanting to kill every British person and he genuinely does is just weird.

I believe the beginning of the countdown was Christchurch, all he had to do was compromise and smile and nod.

As for the farms it become so gun-ho on realizing personal info when it was not needed. I believe in archiving tweets and digging but they started doxxing everyone like the beauty parlor is a shit pit because of it.

Once that shit starts to happen it teeters on the edge of decorum and descends. I notice here there isn't much of that and that is good as it just gains negative press. Yes degenerate fucks exist and some are a special kind but Kiwi was starting to act like a judge and jury.

 

[【ＶＯＩＤ】]

In all honesty, I admired the motivations of free speech but Josh is not a good advocate because he is a cow and he has so many bizarre takes. Like him wanting to kill every British person and he genuinely does is just weird.

I believe the beginning of the countdown was Christchurch, all he had to do was compromise and smile and nod.

Compromise is gay. The Christchurch shooting video was banned in New Zealand; not America. There's one thing and only one thing I agree with josh 100% about and that is, barring special circumstances, the only way content is coming down is by court order.

As for the farms it become so gun-ho on realizing personal info when it was not needed. I believe in archiving tweets and digging but they started doxxing everyone like the beauty parlor is a shit pit because of it.

I agree with this. Doxing can be funny, but it's not a requirement. Sometimes doxing can generate lulz.. like the Jessie Gender thread I did in 2021 had him tweeting nearly a year later about being doxed on KF. That made me laugh.
It's not a requirement for a thread as long as the thread has enough content to make it funny on it's own at least here on this site

Once that shit starts to happen it teeters on the edge of decorum and descends. I notice here there isn't much of that and that is good as it just gains negative press. Yes degenerate fucks exist and some are a special kind but Kiwi was starting to act like a judge and jury

As long as I'm an admin on this site, onion farms will never go down that path. The maxim "if you have to prove you're better than a lolcow, then you're probably not" means something here and moralizing/self-righteous dipshits will just end up threadbanned if they can't contain their faggotry.

 

[thefrogninja]

He just had to not act like a giant faggot, but that would be asking too much.

 

[naught]

I have faith Jersh will have KF back up. Worst case he says fuck it, releases the archive, and there’s a rush to make the next KF.

i emailed null about the backups a while back, he basically implied he'd need my dox in return so have fun with that.

 

[FateTestarossa]

Just to be clear I am not moralizing. I am just analyzing why Kiwifarms lost the PR game. If Onionfarms wants to follow the same path I won’t complain.

Really just wanted a place to express my thoughts about the situation,

Tough personally I think compromising is more about not making enemies for no reason not censorship. On hindsight Kiwifarms really only needed a few tweaks. “We stand for free speech and telling uncomfortable truths” is far more defensible than “I laugh at retards because it’s funny. Fuck if you don’t like it”.

Now people want to pretend Kiwifarms is the former, but it’s too late.

But again of Onionfarms wants to do the same, I won‘t complain. I am not here to change things. Just to vent.

It’s just sad because from what I saw, past the /pol and 8chan rejects, many people on Kiwifarms were genuinely nice, and funny, and many just wanted a place to gossip and criticize people that were untouchable otherwise. People that’d didn’t deserve to be seen evil by association.

I think that was something Null misses too.

Honestly that was the greatest loss.

 

[naught]

the grave dancing stream was hilarious null almost played the tarrant vid in full live on YouTube, i wouldn't have made any statement cause the press will use anything.

 

[Neko Rights Activist]

It’s just sad because from what I saw, past the /pol and 8chan rejects, many people on Kiwifarms were genuinely nice, and funny, and many just wanted a place to gossip and criticize people that were untouchable otherwise. People that’d didn’t deserve to be seen evil by association.

welp I got sent death threats by multiple members back in there for defending LGBTQ++ and furries so nope. pretty sure the pol/8chans rejects represent a large proportion of KF as well.

 

[【ＶＯＩＤ】]

welp I got sent death threats by multiple members back in there for defending LGBTQ++ and furries so nope. pretty sure the pol/8chans rejects represent a large proportion of KF as well.

I'd certainly prefer it if people used threads relevant to their interests instead of defending or attacking XYZ political/social group on either side.
KF shouldn't have had a political slant one way or the other and I'd like very much if OnionFarms didn't develop one, one way or the other.

 

[FateTestarossa]

welp I got sent death threats by multiple members back in there for defending LGBTQ++ and furries so nope. pretty sure the pol/8chans rejects represent a large proportion of KF as well.

Yeah they were by far the worst part of the site.

They we’re so bad, Null complained all mods just ghosted on him after a month because they wouldn’t last a month. Not even the right wing mods that would be part or the circle jerk.

It’s not even about censorship, just how politics are irrelvant, for the most part to gossip. I don’t mean an opinion here and there, or not critiquing political figures. Just that it attracted the worst kind of people that nobody else wanted.

It wasn’t even a free speech site, but the alt right/ far right safe space were any dissenting opinion was harrassed and bullied.

 

[Neko Rights Activist]

I'd certainly prefer it if people used threads relevant to their interests instead of defending or attacking XYZ political/social group on either side.
KF shouldn't have had a political slant one way or the other and I'd like very much if OnionFarms didn't develop one, one way or the other.

AFAIK it was a thread called "what you find trans lolcows fascinating" and the replies were, as you would expect, bunch of alogs who can't stop crying about how "degenerates" are bad and are all pedophile. I simply pointed their stupidity out and got screeched on for it.
I like OF community better than KF for this reason. You got tranny alogs as well but at least you can call them out and not being hated by a large proportion of members.

 

[sick twist]

Yeah they were by far the worst part of the site.

They we’re so bad, Null complained all mods just ghosted on him after a month because they wouldn’t last a month. Not even the far right mods that would be part or the circle jerk.

It’s not even about censorship, just how politics are irrelvant, for the most part to gossip. I don’t mean an opinion here and there, or not critiquing political figures. Just that it attracted the worst kind of people that nobody else wanted.

It wasn’t even a free speech site, but the alt right/ far right safe space we’re any dissenting opinion was harrassed and bullied.

This just illustrates why websites like kiwi and now onion need to establish upfront rules and shit and not feed people bullshit like "we will never censor you!"

Josh found out too late that there are people who are just raging faggots with nothing to contribute, but he had already given then a spot so attempts to janny them made him into a hypocrite. Rules instead of pretending you can just let people banned on the rest internet post as they wish would have done him nothing but favors.

What qualifies as content is different between people and if it's a claim of no censorship, it puts jannies in a gay spot of dealing with people who have axes to grind.

 

[delphi]

I'd certainly prefer it if people used threads relevant to their interests instead of defending or attacking XYZ political/social group on either side.
KF shouldn't have had a political slant one way or the other and I'd like very much if OnionFarms didn't develop one, one way or the other.

When I joined there was a "no US politics" rule. I was genuinely surprised when Null revoked it.

 

[ChaoticPizzaParty]

Apologies Voi I meant more so in his response to NZ was really gay. All he had to do was politely say "The material is not illegal in the US and the site is US registered and follows US law."

I do miss the days when it just turned to shit. E.g. The DSP forum used to be really good but it got so bad just pages a day of reeeeeeeing. Happenings and the Pol boards were a nightmare like I am center right but christ on a cracker and the pro-Putin stuff from users was a pandora's box and should have been scrubbed.

 

[FateTestarossa]

Apologies Voi I meant more so in his response to NZ was really gay. All he had to do was politely say "The material is not illegal in the US and the site is US registered and follows US law."

Exactly.

It was the attitude what just made him seem terrible, outside the KF circle jerk that is.

If he wanted so badly to host the Christchurch video, then he could have politely explained the situation.

Explaining how he stands up for his users and their right to be informed. And saying how he won’t give user data, specially not of his New Zeland users, because he doesn’t want people to face unfair consequences just for wanting to be informed, discussing events relevant to them, and their freedom of speech. And that he is following US law.

Was it so hard?

Instead of being Like “fuck you New Zealand you live in a shithole. America Fuck yeah. You are not my mom to tell me what to do. I can do whatever I want.“ All just for sticker dopamine, and to seem cool.

 

[I Love You]

All the Kiwifarms users namefagging on the Fediverse talk like KiwiFarms is a political website fighting a culture war. If Josh ever gets the website back up it's probably going to be even worse and he might as well rename it 8chan.

 

[sick twist]

All the Kiwifarms users namefagging on the Fediverse talk like KiwiFarms is a political website fighting a culture war. If Josh ever gets the website back up it's probably going to be even worse and he might as well rename it 8chan.

Its stupid to pretend you can really discuss trannies without the topic of the climate they enjoy atm coming up, that's not a realistic stance to try and take.

This is why though Josh needed actual rules beyond "no gayops unless I find them mildly amusing."

Think trying to discuss Yaniv and leave the political climate that allowed that situation to happen out. It can't be done.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

When I joined there was a "no US politics" rule. I was genuinely surprised when Null revoked it.

Ironic given he made a thread for Trump but the minute Biden fucks up he says he will not make a thread for him. This is why Null is full of fucking shit that retarded bastard

 

[Al Gore]

Is Kiwi Farms going to be the new Know Your Meme after everything is said and done?