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Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
The fact that this lawsuit is taking place in New York state is fucking ironic.

I still remember the Maddox lolsuit where Maddox filed his lolsuit in New York state and he tried to sue people that called him a cuck that went nowhere.

So we've come full fucking circle where a new lolsuit has been filed in New York state and this time Kiwi Farms is involved instead of them being the observers. If it didn't worked out for Maddox then what makes Jersh think he will do any better? Jersh is a retard.
Maddox may have had a decent case against Dick given what happened behind the scenes, but his lawyer was an alcoholic loser who barfed out stupid filing after stupid filing and Maddox himself was an egotistical loser so could not even sell his case as it happened except for years after the fact.

Josh is coming to the table with a much better lawyer with a much better case since he should be able to skate on the pictures in those contexts being fair use. Even not counting Josh scamming his users or using the lawsuit to grift himself a 150K/yr income, filing this lawsuit was a very good move on his part since LFJ being able to censor himself off the internet by copyright trolling is simply bullshit on every level.
 
Josh is coming to the table with a much better lawyer with a much better case since he should be able to skate on the pictures in those contexts being fair use.
They said the same thing about Ty Beard where at the time Nick Rekieta hyped him up with the Kiwis and I think even Jersh bought the hype only to be disappointed when he dropped the ball in the Vic Mignogna case.

I hope you're right for Jersh's sake because he's putting everything on the line in this (because if he loses then Kiwi Farms can kiss its ass goodbye).

If you ask me, I think whoever is Jersh's lawyer is sucking Jersh from whatever remains of his life savings and the paypig money.
 
They said the same thing about Ty Beard where at the time Nick Rekieta hyped him up with the Kiwis and I think even Jersh bought the hype only to be disappointed when he dropped the ball in the Vic Mignogna case.

I hope you're right for Jersh's sake because he's putting everything on the line in this (because if he loses then Kiwi Farms can kiss its ass goodbye).

If you ask me, I think whoever is Jersh's lawyer is sucking Jersh from whatever remains of his life savings and the paypig money.
Hardin is a lunatic that lives out of his car.
 
They said the same thing about Ty Beard where at the time Nick Rekieta hyped him up with the Kiwis and I think even Jersh bought the hype only to be disappointed when he dropped the ball in the Vic Mignogna case.

I hope you're right for Jersh's sake because he's putting everything on the line in this (because if he loses then Kiwi Farms can kiss its ass goodbye).

If you ask me, I think whoever is Jersh's lawyer is sucking Jersh from whatever remains of his life savings and the paypig money.
Ty Beard was a competent lawyer if you had a business merger to perform. He actually laid out a reasonable case that was tossed because he made an utterly amateurish mistake.

By the looks of it, Matthew Hardin is decent enough at his job to have been a chief prosecutor in Greene County Virginia (the county with Ruckersville lol). Whether he is any good at copyright law, I have no idea. He is supposedly one of the nation's top FOIA lawyers, but then again, he did fail at getting the Rekieta bodycam footage (although that might just have been an inherently unwinnable battle that Hardin laughed all the way to the bank over, lawyers do not care as long as they get paid).

Either way, I think a lot of people here either do not understand or misrepresent the lawsuit out of their dislike of Josh. Hey, I hate the guy too because he is a whiny hypocrite who projects his deranged personality onto everyone else. But Josh is morally in the right and there is a very good argument he is legally in the right as well, and that filing this lawsuit was 100% the correct choice. Remember that LFJ has no other strategy available to him besides copyright trolling, otherwise he would have sued Josh ages ago and likely lost since it is almost impossible to win a defamation case in the US (especially if the plaintiff himself admits the defamatory event happened).

Beside Josh being a mentally ill shithead or Matt Hardin supposedly living out of his car, what is the actual objection to this lawsuit?
 
There's a pretty good chance SCOTUS...
I'm gonna have to stop you there. I think you may have confused me for someone who gives a shit, I was merely lulzin' at joshy being really down about life in general.

Look forward to joshys campaign to have the Nation of Nignogs booted out of the States.
 
So now that it seems Jersh has moved on from Casey Putsch (after crashing out over Vivek Ramawasmy and became a groyper because the Ohio GOP refused to support him), it seems Jersh has moved on to his next grift; finding alleged ISIS sleeper agents.

Don't get me wrong, it's well documented that Jihadist groups do have sleeper agents in the countries they target (often Western countries) but it seems Jersh thinks he's the CIA in tracking down these individuals when he barely has enough resources to run his website anyway.

Actual intelligence agencies have top of the line spyware (such as Pegasus), top of the line computers, access to government databases to find said individuals, spies in every corner of the globe, and millions in taxpayer money at their disposal to find almost anyone on the planet. Jersh is just one guy running a barely functioning website.
 
Jersh thinks he's the CIA in tracking down these individuals when he barely has enough resources to run his website anyway.

Actual intelligence agencies have top of the line spyware (such as Pegasus), top of the line computers, access to government databases to find said individuals, spies in every corner of the globe, and millions in taxpayer money at their disposal to find almost anyone on the planet. Jersh is just one guy running a barely functioning website.
Almost all of these ISIS groups are run by the CIA and other spook agencies. Jocelyn might find xerself black bagged one day and let off with a warning-if xe is lucky.
 
@45:30 - It takes Josh 45 minutes to warm up and start talking about the main event. Liz Fong Jones. Josh says LFJ has been working to shut down KF for 10 years now. LFJ emailed one of his email providers and got KF removed from email services in 2017. Josh says none of the 7 people that are being targeted by LFJ, have done a good enough job with their opsec to escape subpoena powers, to his knowledge. Uh oh. I take that to mean that Josh looked up each person and saw they were not using a VPN and may have been dumb enough to use an email address that info that can be gleaned from. Can a court identify you and drag you into court from an IP address alone? Personally, I think if the government wants to find out who you are, they have tracking methods well beyond what you think they have. Which is how they are able to arrest ostensibly anonymous people when they make threats on 4chan.

In this particular case though, LFJ is going to subpoena Josh Moon/Lolcow LLC to get their IP addresses among other info like email addresses. Then LFJ will subpoena your ISP (Internet Service Provider) to get your name and address. And your ISP will turn it over to him because it's a court order. If Hardin can't quash the subpoena that is how these 7 KF'ers are gonna get doxxed and destroyed.

Josh is trying to capitalize on the LFJ drama by contacting Asmongold AGAIN. What a clout-chasing worm. Asmongold previously had not replied to his pleading to get on his show. Josh says LFJ has found a way to use the power of the federal court system to ID anybody on the internet. "I don't know what to do. If you have an idea of what to do, get in contact with me." "If you didn't use a VPN one time in the data retention policies of Youtube, you're fucked. And their data retention policies are like a year. And then your ISP's retention policies are between 6 months and a year." "I'm a psychopath, ok? I'm like a fucking weirdo. I talk weird. I stutter. I say horrific things to everybody all the time...Making people like me? Never been good at that."

Here is the excerpt about Liz Fong Jones:



Null on MATI said the ALLEGED seven "infringers" from the DMCA subpoenas are all lawyering up and he's helping them with that, he also said he's gonna try and quash the subpoenas from LFJ but he would like to talk to Big Youtubers about what's happening and feels ignored by them, so doesn't know what else he can do to raise awareness of this get to get more lawyers onboard:

Not only is he [LFJ] using DMCA to censor those posts, because they have a mandatory take-down, in challenging them to doxx themselves to enter the claim, he is also using the DMCA subpoena powers, outside of discovery, as soon as the case has started, before the answer, to try and compel me, within 2 months, to help them doxx them for him - which would be possible for a lot of them because they did not practice proper hygiene before taunting the freak tranny demon. So there are 7 people in total who LFJ is using the process of the DMCA to try and legally doxx in a way that I cannot contest. Now, we are going to cry and quash the DMCA, and it's my understanding that all 7 of them have sought legal guidance and are lawyering up, and I will assist with that as long as it remains in our collective interest to do so. But that is his current gambit. As I said before, LFJ's entire thing here appears to be to try and figure out "censorship as a service". He is working out a way to make it so that the rich and powerful people can pay him to manage their reputations for them, by having their Wikipedia page cleaned up, by getting favourable press, by having their top Google results be all this bullshit social media stuff and fluff-pieces that obfuscate unpleasant information. And by, finally, figuring out a way to have little guys using their constitutionally protected freedom of speech and non-amenity to discuss public figures online, to doxx them and put them into one side of the litigation that they have to pay out-of-pocket for, regardless of if they want or not. So, there is a warning now, on the site, that Liz Fong Jones, who was accused of rape by somebody that he had known for over 8 years... sexual assault rather, I'm not sure it was rape because LFJ managed to get their side of the story deleted, so the details from the victim's perspective has never been publicly found because Liz was so good at cleansing that information from the online space. BUt it's some form of sexual assault. It could be rape. And he is trying to doxx innocent random people to try and ruin their lives for no reason other than the fact that he doesn't like them. And he wants to clean up his reputation by force. By, literally, the barrel of a gun. By using the court system and the prohibitive expenses associated with litigation to compel random people throughout the United States to no longer exercise their freedom of speech in a way that displeases him.

So, I don't know what to do. Um, I am going to try to help the best that I can. The best way to help is to help yourself, and to either not instigate the deranged sex pest tranny, or to use the tools that I permit people to use on my website to make it so that if he does subpoena you, there's not much to give. But that relies on the user end, and none of the seven people involved have, to the best of my knowledge, I don't know for sure, but probably haven't done a good enough job to escape subpoena powers.

So I have reached out to a couple of publications. I reached out to Asmongold. Asmongold leaves me on red. He doesn't like me, I guess. He entertained the idea of talking to me but he hasn't actually responded to any of the attempts I've made to try and communicate with him.

So honestly, I don't know what to do. I have something that I feel is a huge story. Here we have a person, who is one of the least, even compared to me, even compared to the KiwiFarms, is one of the least likeable people I could ever think of. You have someone who is from the Fag Man companies, Google. And from a tech start-up, like Honeycomb, that has claws embedded in Amazon webservices, and Cloudflare and Hcatcha, and Anthropic. That's how big Honeycomb is now. They got really big in the last couple of years and he is, I think he owns part of that company, because he was a Field CTO invested in their equity. And he's using that wealth and that power and that influence to try and deliberately censor the internet for reputational management purposes at the expense of somebody who accused him of sexual assault. So credibly, he felt the need to go online and admit his was a sexual assault and try and downplay it as a misunderstanding, as a "consent accident". And I don't know who I can talk to, to be like, this is a problem.

And this a replicable model, that's the main thing. He is developing a censorship-as-a-service system that he can replicate and sell as a package to other people. Oh, you have someone making fun of you? This is a real situation based on how this works. All they're doing, is posting a picture. If you have a copyrighted image, and anything you make is copyrighted, automatically, you can register that image with, a, the copyright board (he means the US Copyright Office) for nothing. It's, like, $ 100. Then, you can file a lawsuit. Again, you don't have to have a lawyer doing this. You represent yourself and it's only a couple of hundred dollars in fees, if you either represent yourself or if you have an attorney that is on your side. You can then DMCA, and before they even respond, subpoena them to get their information from the service provider. And you wanna talk about this in conjuction with Real ID requirements? How your OS has to know who you are, how to post on Twitter you have to do "Twitter Verified" which is a photo-ID thing? Meta Photo-ID? Youtube Photo-ID for age-restrictions? All these things have your Photo-ID. Now, if you post anything on it, even if you did immaculate opsec while doing this, they're still gonna have your IP, and that's gonna be your information, probably, or they're gonna have information directly on hand from your account, from your ID, or your purchase history. And then they can just subpoena that. And they can figure out who you are.

So if you post, anything online, ANYTHING online, that could even possibly be copyright-in-dispute, there is now a way that LFJ has found, and in his association with this law firm, a progressive law firm, to doxx anybody, for memes online. And that is the hugest thing I can think of. This guy has found a way, for a minimal cost, to use the power of the Federal Court System, to identify anybody on the internet, in no time. Two months. Two months is the maximum response time. And you have to pay out of pocket to quash it, if you want to try and fight it.

And even then, it's not a sure-done thing.

So, I don't know what to do.

If you have an idea of what to do, get into contact with me. If you're some big Youtuber. But nobody wants to talk to me about this. You have the Right To Repair guy, Louis Rossman. He even has a forum account. You've got Asmongold. I know he reads the fucking site. But none of these people... like, how to I package this in a way that people give a shit? Because I know people would give a shit if they knew the facts, and the facts were laid out cleanly.

So, I don't know. If you have any idea, let me know. If you're a publication, yeah, let me know. If you have a big following, you gotta let me know. I'll package this up real fucking nice for you. If you're a fan of one of these people, like Asmongold or Louis Rossman, let them know that you give a shit, because otherwise it's like, what do you do? If you have a... he's done this for 4 people, BTW. I know there's one guy, there's three people, there's, uh, Kevin Crowley, who's the VP of the USPS. He was attacked and his career was damaged by LFJ after he knew he had a forum account. There's some guy in Australia I know who got sued by LFJ. There's another guy that got his career ruined in the United States that I'm aware of. And then there's Vinnie, who did nothing at all to anybody, and he was forced into bankruptcy by this bullshit litigation. It's, like, he'll do it to anybody. He'll do it to any random person that he finds to censor them. And that's the opportunities that this DMCA thing permits. And it doesn't matter how clean your opsec is on the front. If you didn't use a VPN one time, in the data retention policies of Youtube, you're fucked. And their data retention policies are like a year. And then your ISP's data retention policies are between 6 months and a year. And it only takes one time to fuck up.

So, I don't know.
If you, literally, if you have any idea who I can talk to, to bundle this for them and explain that we have a technocratic transgender millionaire associated with with a tech company that has direct contacts with AWS, Cloudflare and Anthropic, and is using the DMCA to suppress a story that he was accused of sexual assault by a woman... let me know! Cuz I don't fuckin' know. I don't fucking know. I'm a psychopath. OK? I'm like a fucking weirdo. I talk weird. I stutter, I say horrific things to everybody, all the time. Nobody wants to... I am not the friendly face, OK? I don't know how to do a lot of things. Making people like me? Never been good at that. Never been good at making people like me. I'm just sorta bad at that. It's just how it is.

Null, FFS stop crying about how no one wants to talk to you, know know that's not true. Jesse Singal and Katie Herzog will sit down with you any time on Blocked and Reported, you just have to get over your aversion to Singal being Dzooish and a homosexual. You can also get in touch with the Heterodorx podcast, since you've spoken to them before. The co-host of the Heterodorx podcast Corinna Cohn is a lawyer. Also, whatever happened to Potentially Criminal, that other Lawtuber who became your Law Daddy on Youtube after you dumped Rekieta? Stop lying about how no one will talk to you. YOU are the one not talking to them.

 
And speaking of Null refusing to talk to people while complaining about them not talking to him, here's Null refusing to talk to Kiwis.

Apparently there's a lot of FUD amongst Kiwis, which is literally what LFJ wanted with his SLAPP abuse of the DMCA, and Null isn't making things any clearer either. He was just like this during #DropKiwiFarms which at time really pissed me off but back then I'd bite my tongue about it because I gave him the benefit of the doubt (dumbass) and assumed he didn't want to be disturbed while he was figuring out the ropes of keeping the site running.

The truth is, throughout #DropKiwiFarms I always felt like Null was downplaying what was actually happening so as to not cause a panic amongst his users, but that did nothing to clear the air amongst the user base.

A brave Kiwi, Gecko Goy, showed up in the MATI thread asking: what can or can we not say about LFJ - or about any other lolcow for that matter - to prevent more DMCA subpoenas?

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But Null doesn't answer them. Instead Gecko Goy gets dogpiled by Null's MATI listeners acting like that's suuuch a dumb question, and the Kiwis in the LFJ thread are just "retards who cannot contain themselves", when it's a totally legitimate question that Null should be able to answer.


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Even if a Kiwi asks a simple question about how long Null retains logs, Null doesn't answer that question either. I recall he once said he can't reveal this to prevent spammers from flooding the site with bot accounts, so I guess him not answering this question is legitimate. However, he doesn't come in to give the "I can't tell you how long because because of spammers" answer he used to give. I mean, I know the answer, so why is this such a big mystery now? Wanting to protect your forum from spambots is a totally legitimate concern that any webmaster has to deal with.

Null comes in briefly to tell Kiwis to mind their e-mail addresses and their VPNs, but doesn't at all address the much more alarming fact that LFJ is also demanding the banking information of the alleged "infringers" with T&HF status.

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I guess none of the Kiwis have actually read the subpoenas to see what's actually being demanded, but it's really in there as the final demand for records going back three years: "4. Any Transactor Information associated with the Kiwi Farms User Account.".

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"Transactor Information" means banking details regarding the means the user used to pay for their user account. If you donated money for T&HF status with a credit card, LFJ wants the number of your creditcard, if you did it with crypto, LFJ wants your crypto-wallet (that he's totally not gonna pass along to Old Man Londre to do all the shit he was already doing with shutting down KF crypto-wallets during #DropKiwiFarms)

As you can see, LFJ doesn't specify T&HF status in the subpoena. That was just my personal interpretation of it, because T&HF status is associated with some of those individual accounts he's going after.

However, if I am wrong with this narrow and specific interpretation, and "Any Transactor Information" is even more invasive and overbearing than I assume it is, in that case LFJ is demanding insight into any donation by an "infringer" ever to Null, on any off-site platform ever, going back three years. That would include Rumble superchats, Odysee superberries, Gumroad, GiveSendGo, all the different crypto platforms Null uses to receive donations, literally anywhere you can donate any type of money to Null.

I remember this one Twitter account during #DropKiwiFarms @defendkiwifarms where a Kiwi listed multiple different ways of donating money to Null. They not only listed all of his crypto-wallets but also claimed Null had a private Venmo account and other behind-the-scenes means of receiving money from Kiwis.


If that's what "Any Transactor Information" in the subpoena means, then LFJ is blatantly abusing the DMCA subpoenas to gain insight into Null's income streams and present banking situation. But again, I am not a lawyer, I do not know what that term means legally, I am just guessing here, also because LFJ's lawyer is not being specific and leaving it up to interpretation.

If you don't believe LFJ is gonna give this to "get hacked" by Hackers on Estradiol, who are going to spread Null's banking details all over the darknet for cybercriminals to do their worse, again, I got a superdilator I wanna sell ya.

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If I was Null, I'd definitely put Old Man Londre on the subpoena list, his identity is already public so he's easily located and served. I'd put him on the stand and question him about his CryptoCONs and him openly targeting Null's and Kiwi's crypto-wallets on Twitter with his during #DropKiwiFarms. I think this might conclusively convince even the NYC judge just how bad faith and malicious the demand for "Any Transactor Information" in LFJ's DMCA subpoena actually is:

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Because if Old Man Londre and #DropKiwiFarms were going around shutting down crypto-wallets back then, what's to stop them from doing so again?

This is what it's like dealing with an actual psychopath like LFJ. You have to think 20 steps ahead to anticipate what they're actually going to do as opposed to what they pink-promise to do in their Declarations. Because remember, this is the #BeGayDoCrime crowd, the "It's not illegal if it works" crowd:

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The law doesn't mean shit to them. Declarations under oath don't mean shit to them. LFJ is a mentally ill man who claims to be a "plural system", so he can basically pull a Tarl Warwick in court and claim that one of his alter egos signed the Declaration while his other alter ego was checked out and had no idea what the first was agreeing to.

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"Which would be possible for a lot of them because they didn't practiced good hygiene before taunting the uhh the freak tranny demon."

It's 2026 and the Kiwis still don't know how to practice good OPSEC?

Like come on. If you know you're going to sign up for a controversial and embarrassing website like Kiwi Farms then always use an email address that is in no way attached to your real world identity (Guerrilla Mail and Protonmail are decent options or better yet set up your own home email service), always use Tor or a decent VPN when accessing said embarrassing websites (and always use a Tor bridge if you choose to use Tor so that your ISP thinks you're just browsing the clearnet), and always use a more privacy-friendly operating system to give out very little information about yourself (whether it's a decent Linux distro or a privacy-oriented mobile operating system for phones like GrapheneOS).

Your personal data on the Internet is your own responsibility. Do not expect others to hide your ass for you and know that products like Tor or VPNs or open-source operating system distros are not magic bullets to keep you private and anonymous. Don't be slothful, take the time out of your day to take back and control your data online.

Besides, Jersh has put it on record that he does turn over his own users to the feds every time he gets subpoenaed so you should be practicing impeccable OPSEC and set up a threat model for yourself so you can protect yourself from any threat actors (especially when you consider the fact that Kiwi Farms has suffered data breaches in the past, if some troon or whatever manages to hack into KF again then it's on you if you didn't practiced good OPSEC).

As much as I like laughing at Jersh and the Kiwis, I don't wish any ill-will towards the Kiwis because even they can become tragic victims to the morbid dangers of the Internet.

Do protect yourselves because swatting is a thing, IRL stalking is a thing, property theft is a thing, identify theft in a thing, and in this case a troon using the DMCA to screw with people is also a thing.

Take a lesson from Alex Jones and Andrew Anglin on how not to get fucked by other people on the Internet because getting fucked by other people on the Internet does happen.
 
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He's a troon, obviously hiding his manicured finger nails.
There was a time that i would laugh that off as a joke but after Moonpie was revealed as Lldrip I believe you could be right! :story: Edit; so now Josh has muted me both on Rumble and Twitter. Such a thinskinned faggot. God i want him to kill himself after he loses this lawsuit.
 
Josh revealed his fat arm.
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He said he is paranoid people will be able to see his fingerprints and somhow ID/trace him.
This is dumb because even the best 4k cameras that you can buy on the market right now still can't make out some fine details when footage is zoomed in.

If you want to ID someone with fingerprints, you usually have to do some real world forensics that involves comparing the unique microscopic details of fingerprints with the person in question.

Now being fair here, modern consumer grade video cameras these days do have a high resolution that can fully capture fingerprints accurately but they have to be at close range (like putting your fingers right in front of the camera and focus the camera to sharpen the image of what is being photographed or recorded). But in a real world situation, people generally don't put their hands at close range and keep their hands at a distance from the camera (like what Jersh is doing right now in that image) where the lens cannot capture fingerprints accurately as they are far too small even with a good 4k camera because your hands are too far away from the camera to make out these fine details.

Just look at every Youtuber that handles food where they often don't need to wear gloves or worry about their identity being stolen because the expensive cameras they are using cannot fully make out their fingerprints at a distance. Unless they put their hands in front of their camera at close range, good luck making out the full features of their fingerprints.

Also I find it really weird that Jersh is handling food like how a jeweler would handle 1 Kilo gold bars with gloves. Unless you are handling a superhot pepper or a piece of expensive food, there's no reason for anyone to wear gloves like they're handling gold bars or an expensive watch. You're not handling the Carolina Reaper and you're not handling a Rolex or a Tudor watch either.
 
This is dumb because even the best 4k cameras that you can buy on the market right now still can't make out some fine details when footage is zoomed in.

If you want to ID someone with fingerprints, you usually have to do some real world forensics that involves comparing the unique microscopic details of fingerprints with the person in question.

Now being fair here, modern consumer grade video cameras these days do have a high resolution that can fully capture fingerprints accurately but they have to be at close range (like putting your fingers right in front of the camera and focus the camera to sharpen the image of what is being photographed or recorded). But in a real world situation, people generally don't put their hands at close range and keep their hands at a distance from the camera (like what Jersh is doing right now in that image) where the lens cannot capture fingerprints accurately as they are far too small even with a good 4k camera because your hands are too far away from the camera to make out these fine details.

Just look at every Youtuber that handles food where they often don't need to wear gloves or worry about their identity being stolen because the expensive cameras they are using cannot fully make out their fingerprints at a distance. Unless they put their hands in front of their camera at close range, good luck making out the full features of their fingerprints.

Also I find it really weird that Jersh is handling food like how a jeweler would handle 1 Kilo gold bars with gloves. Unless you are handling a superhot pepper or a piece of expensive food, there's no reason for anyone to wear gloves like they're handling gold bars or an expensive watch. You're not handling the Carolina Reaper and you're not handling a Rolex or a Tudor watch either.
OK, my theory is he got fancy acrylic tips and a wild paint color so he doesn't want BP criticizing his taste in nail jobs.
 
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