This will be a summarization of the details regarding user
Catler's departure from the forum and grooming accusations. I feel this is helpful as some users have reacted with confusion over the ordeal, especially given how scattered the information surrounding it is. In addition, there is some rather questionable statements being made either downplaying the events or which provides misleading conclusions, like comments which incorrectly claim the concern was that he was
grooming other users rather than
if he was a member of a community of groomers, or statements which assert he solely left because he was banned from sending private messages.
Even if you're not familiar with Catler, it's worth exploring since it's an entertaining story regardless. In terms of the lolcow boards, he was generally a non-contributive user who only would offer mundane commentary in threads or argue with other members.
This is an important detail to note for later. He otherwise would make insipid posts in the off topic board just acting gross or weird.
I wanted to make a thread summarizing this little debacle. It's not quite a halal thread since
Catler has decided to leave the forum, but it's not a random callout thread since it's meant to compile all the information available. I'm too stupid to speak with absolute certainty that the evidence conclusively proves he was a groomer, but I'm not dumb enough not notice this evidence is extremely suggestive of it.
The general timeline of events is as follows, with evidence supplied as necessary or possible:
1. Catler's general presence on the main lolcow boards is either arguing with users or providing mundane commentary or observations. The rare instances where he provides information, it is always secondhand, primarily reposts from the
rDrama website.
2. Catler posts a thread on the "boykisser" image, a gay (as in literally gay) furry meme, in the off topic boards.
3. Coincidentally,
a thread on the "boykisser" image is made in the Prospering Grounds section which examined its usage in child grooming circles on Reddit and Discord. It is composed mostly of misinformation, most notably attributing the
creator of the image as the
leader of these grooming circles (which was demonstrably false). This in of itself is not an admission of intentional misinformation or misdirection. However, threads which focus on communities and threads which examine aspects of the furry community are prone to false flags and misdirection by sockpuppets of those who are within these communities. While the thread is rightfully criticized,
it also suddenly gets new users or users with relatively unused accounts posting literal nonsense. This suggests members of these grooming circles were aware of the thread.
4. If you were wondering why I did not link Catler's "boykisser" image thread in the off topic board, it's because
he deleted that thread when the Prospering Grounds thread was posted. Catler is generally unashamed of the content he posts, given his history, making this a curious choice.
5.
A more focused and higher quality thread on the "boykisser" grooming circles is posted in Prospering Grounds which contained correct information, unlike the first thread. Despite literally never posting in Prospering Grounds before, or making any explorative contribution in any other thread, Catler is
one of the first users to post in this thread and
suddenly decides to make "informative" posts which were actually just on convenient, adjacent communities and not the original communities being examined in question. Worth reiterating, he never posted in the original thread which contained false information, but immediately does so in the one which was accurate.
6. Although he was directly asked if he would be willing to do so, meaning he did
not bring this up unprompted, Catler
makes the curious claim that he is unwilling to infiltrate these communities. The post is also somewhat odd as he makes a subtle attempt at dissuading users to sift through the content in these Discords, stating they're mostly "stupid reaction images."
7. Point 6 directly contradicts Catler's subsequent action of privately messaging the thread's creator if there were any DM chains examining the community. Although one can assume this means Catler was only lying on the
publicly visible posts about not wanting to infiltrate the community, it is extremely unusual and out-of-character from him to suddenly be willing to contribute to a thread in any capacity, as previously established. On the other hand, it is exceedingly simple to conclude he intended to keep tabs on how informed Kiwi Farms was on the grooming circles, possibly checking if there were any insiders already active.
8. Like before, this new thread received messages from newer accounts. While only one or two were nonsense like before, some curiously ask the thread creator to "branch out" from focusing on one community or state that the thread isn't necessary. However, this isn't indicative of anything as this occurs in other threads, but it at least raises some eyebrows given the circumstances.
9. Throughout the thread, multiple embarrassing posts are made and deleted out of shame, as well. When I began to suspect the thread may have members from these grooming circles posting in it, I went through undeleting posts.
One such post was from none other than Catler himself. The post makes the unintentionally ironic statement that choosing "to powerlevel on a thread" makes one "look bad no matter what one says" after Catler himself makes an extremely revealing comment doing just that. Given the unwitting humor in such a message, I quoted the post in my announcement saying I restored deleted content.
10. Catler immediately takes umbrage with this decision,
posting on my profile in complaint. This is unusual to me since individuals normally complain moderators
delete their content, so I was bemused to see somebody complain that their post was
restored, even if the restored post was embarrassing.
11. Catler was extremely intent on hiding the information provided in the undeleted post. This is extremely suspicious for two reasons. The obvious is that the post has clear connections to the interests of the "boykisser" grooming circles. The second is that the revelation of this information is extremely
in-character for Catler. He has previously expressed interests in furries and, well, being gay, and had repeatedly posted or sent users images which were both. In other words, there is zero reason for him to wish to hide this unless the exact connotations one draws from it were entirely accurate. Furthermore, calling back to point 7, if he truly wanted to be a "deep cover super agent infiltrator" in these communities, he would
want to put a front suggesting he was some secret defender of them. He would only have wanted to remove this post if he had something to hide.
12. Not entirely related but amusing nonetheless, Catler was so disliked on the forum (which will be explored later) that he assumed I also disliked him, had interacted with him before, and openly stated I disliked him. All three were false at the time, as I had no awareness of him and thus had not even formed an opinion let alone ever acknowledged him until quoting his ridiculous post. When I invited him to substantiate his claim, he declined stating it was impossible. He also failed to understand that the ability to delete posts and its restricted timeframe of availability is for the intent of removing accidental posts made in user error, not embarrassing posts made with user regret.
13. Catler would then attempt to blank the post and delete it multiple times afterwards, which were repeatedly reverted. It is clear he was intent on hiding this information by any means necessary, which ironically drew even more attention to this.
14. Long before this event, Catler was known to start extensive furry erotic roleplay chains in private messages and inviting random users to them. They are not pleasant. However, this establishes both that Catler is completely unconcerned with how other users perceived him and how his interests outlined in the post he wished to delete is not something out of the ordinary given the content of the private messages he invited random users to. Pay close attention to the users who participate in this ERP, if you decide to brave reading them.
The additional full logs can be viewed in video format
here, a third private chat which leaked later
here, and a fourth
here.
notorietus said:
To sum the events (but you really should see the direct messages though because it's so much, i can barely explain it),
Catler was eRPing with
JethroTullamore,
hl2_linux,
[Edit, added the @ because they have an account here] @Madre Muerte,
Omori Boy(see 1st picture, which he sent in that group chat), and finally
Rozzy. which includes them doing scat fetish RP, but really, it's just Catler running a
full on GOONING dm club.
15.
Eventually, a callout thread is created. During this time, the admin of Kiwi Farms begins to investigate user complaints of the ERP Catler invited people to. In response, Catler's ability to send private messages is taken away, but Catler blanks his account before it can be investigated fully. He was not banned and is still not banned.
16. There seems to be an incorrect belief that he left Kiwi Farms because his ability to send private messages was removed.
Catler himself has confirmed this is not the case. He has never complained about his privileges being revoked, and directly states it is due to his post being restored. Furthermore, his complaints have been nothing but surrounding the fact his post was restored and never anything else, making it impossible to draw the conclusion his departure was due to his PM privileges being revoked given the evidence.
17. The final point, a small footnote, is that Catler is now being defended either directly,
such as a user attacking another user for leaking the private messages with Catler, or indirectly,
such as the curious claim that Catler only left because he suddenly didn't like the poor reception he received on the forum despite not caring mere days before rather than due to the groomer allegations. As proven by the private messages, these are users who were most genuinely engaged with Catler in the erotic role plays. These users have now made their forum activity visibility private.
As this thread has progressed, these users have tried to sell out each other to draw attention away from themselves as individuals, asserting the others are worse than they are. Below is a post by @notorietus offering highlights.
