Kiwifarms Gossip Animal Control

[Vibe_Lad]

I am the OP of the boykisser thread. Before I say anything, here is catlers/meowsolinis opinion on drawn CP

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-do...-to-being-a-pedo.183361/page-25#post-17767741

These are the kind of opinions that got crosshairs on him when he posted in my boykisser thread.

Spoiler: BK thread posts by Meowsolini

BK/femboy grooming circles thread: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/boykis...unity-discord-femboy-grooming-circles.182778/
Out of all of these, only one post was genuinely heplfull and informative, the rest are made mostly to inflate his image and to look good compared to the subject matter (considering he's into femboys.

He (catler) private messaged me about groups about femboys, to which I replied I did not belong to any PM chain and I do my own research. After moralfagging, he got exposed to ERPing with a user whose really fucking unstable, along with posting NSFW gay porn. Not to mention his general behavior in KF is usually thirstbaiting, as he loves attention.


Here's the post that got him attention from the mods:


Now, I urge you to go into this thread:
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/catler-drama-summarized.184974/page-129#post-17892975
In this link, you will see a collection of very suspicious and cringe behavior coming from this individual.

He's making the case that 02 unfairly targeted him, despite the fact that admin and the other admins on the site treated me and catler equally, but the difference is I respect the house mods gave me permission to post in, while Catler shits it up, break rules then plays the victim.

If you are going to listen to him, go do your own research afterwards. He is a dishonest individual who lied before, and will lie again.

 

[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]

I am not of low intelligence, so the probability of me being a sociopath is extremely unlikely.

Animal abuse material is virtually illegal worldwide. But the illegality of consuming zoophilia isn't 100% illegal worldwide. Although it's immoral, you aren't 100% correct about its illegality.

Let me explain this very clearly so we are on the same page. It is illegal under Panama law (we are hosted out of Panama City), It is illegal under federal law in the US and it is not permitted on this forum. End of story.

 

[Meowsolini]

Before I say anything, here is catlers/meowsolinis opinion on drawn CP

Nice try, but that was part of a smaller argument within the topic in which NullLidl claimed it was impossible for any porn/nudity to have artistic merit which remains nonsense. I never at any point supported drawn CP in that thread, but I did try to have a discussion...my mistake.

You are cherry picking things and simply trusting people will take them at face value without looking into the context.

He (catler) private messaged me about groups about femboys, to which I replied I did not belong to any PM chain and I do my own research.

You claim this was me trying to "keep tabs" on KF, but in reality I had a change of heart about not helping you guys which can been seen by me actually trying to start contributing with the one post. Most figures or communities that get looked into on KF have a PM chain so people can coordinate.

After moralfagging, he got exposed to ERPing with a user whose really fucking unstable, along with posting NSFW gay porn.

There is nothing inherently wrong with ERP between adults and well I knew MM had issues, I didn't realize just how problematic of a person he actually was. It's worth noting that I didn't invite him and I didn't even want him there at all, he was merely tolerated because you can't kick people on KF's janky DM system.

Gay porn? Oh no! Surely the worst thing to ever get hosted on KF! Oh wait...https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/zoosadist-content-hosted-on-kiwi-farms.4459/

If you are going to listen to him, go do your own research afterwards.

tldr; "Believe me, 0 2, and the conclusions we've drawn implicitly"

 

[Constant]

I’m upset that I didn’t catch the Catler/meowsolini connection sooner with that naming convention

 

[Vibe_Lad]

You claim this was me trying to "keep tabs" on KF, but in reality I had a change of heart about not helping you guys

I literally have nothing to say to you. This is the last message you will get from me. You lie, cheat, break rules then cry victim. I have no respect for you.

I have provided links, screenshots and proof is in said links and screenshots. You have provided me and the onion with empty words.

 

[Meowsolini]

I have provided links, screenshots and proof is in said links and screenshots.

I am trying to prove I didn't have bad motivations and you are trying to prove I did. I am not the one with the burden of proof and you are drawing conclusions that you and 0 2 have freely admitted are at least partly based on how you feel about me.

You realize there's nothing for me to gain here right? You have made up your mind already.

 

[BurnerAccount333]

covers work that “depict or describe sexual conduct.” In deciding whether or not material is obscene, one must look at:
(1) whether “the average person, applying contemporary community standards” would find that work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(2) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and
(3) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value (Miller v. California). Obscene material does not receive First Amendment protection, but “sexual expression which is indecent but not obscene is protected by the First Amendment.” (Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union).

To translate this even further in non-legal speech. The content hosted lacks all three standards, which it must fail to be considered legally obscene.

1. Asks if it's socially acceptable. This is usually the easiest to fail, and the UK defines this as Facebook's terms of service.
2. Asks if it's patently offensive. Again this is easy to fail, it honestly can come off as vague but I'll just summarize this as being illegal.
3. This is the hardest to fail, but with good reason if you understand censorship, and usually where most obscenity claims fail. So!

• Does this content lack serious literary value? Yes, it's animals being needlessly tortured and killed.
• Does this content lack serious artistic value? Again yes, it's not an illustration or some horror story, it's sadly reality.
• Does this content lack serious political value? Yes, it's literal torture porn.
• Does this content lack serious scientific value? Yes, there is absolutely nothing of value.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

Off topic question, but was the username Nyadolf Kittler already taken on kiwifarms?

 

[Crimson Fucker]

Also isn't art supposed to be subjective? Some serial killers see their murders as art.

Something something humor/beauty/art is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Constant]

Also isn't art supposed to be subjective? Some serial killers see their murders as art.

Something something humor/beauty/art is in the eye of the beholder.

This is animal porn. There’s no way it can be twisted as ‘art’

 

[Crimson Fucker]

This is animal porn. There’s no way it can be twisted as ‘art’

If modern art museums can get away with calling their exhibits art then it wouldn't be a stretch to shit on my bosses desk and proclaim it to be art. And I did bring up serial killers using their victims as art. So again, it's more of an eye of the beholder thing. There are things you would consider art others wouldn't as well. Art isn't real, just a concept people apply to something they like. Freaks like animal porn. So I can see why they would claim it to be, not that I agree with them.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

And no, I don't believe animal porn is art. I'm just saying people have called worse things art. Like child murder. And just explaining the type of reasoning they would use to do so. It's not surprising to me when people do it.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

@Vibe_Lad admits to the very thing I accused him (and 0 2) of doing here:

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Good job Vect, you are the first person on KF to figure out what's actually going on.


Looks like your buddy is doing it for me 0 2 :)

This should have probably been posted here too, so I'll do it.

 

[BurnerAccount333]

Also isn't art supposed to be subjective? Some serial killers see their murders as art.

Something something humor/beauty/art is in the eye of the beholder.

And no, I don't believe animal porn is art. I'm just saying people have called worse things art. Like child murder. And just explaining the type of reasoning they would use to do so. It's not surprising to me when people do it.

No. The difference is inherent with the medium, and the harm caused.
Obscenity isn't direct harm. It may have harmed someone in its creation, it may disgust someone, and may lead to harm but it isn't direct harm.
More-so obscenity covers things not covered by the law. I wish I could give a better example for this, because it's pretty extreme and I don't even think this example works, but footage of a school shooting I would assume would be considered obscene. Again other laws basically cover anything else you can imagine.

However I will admit there's some fuzziness to this: I know there are some stories with school shootings in them, and I know people have made animations based on actual school shootings that happened. And to my knowledge those people never got charged with obscenity because they technically have some value politically, they were shock-content but in the animation's case it was made to promote gun-control. Further I will admit it sometimes gets complicated when you think about it too much.
Would we call fishing and animal hunting footage animal abuse? No we wouldn't, but by definition both involve animals suffering. So it's kind of important to just accept sometimes definitions aren't exactly defined.

Again the main difference is inherent with the medium.
Recording yourself murdering someone kind of overrides any excuse for artistic and political expression, because it's just murder.
A story, or a drawing, that is fiction is what the obscenity laws are aimed towards nowadays. They're The Turner Diaries stories.
They're this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obscenity_controversies_in_literature

edit:
Correction I made a mistake. The second line of the miller test is "(2) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and"
This would inherently imply it has be something sexual as well.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

No. The difference is inherent with the medium, and the harm caused.
Obscenity isn't direct harm. It may have harmed someone in its creation, it may disgust someone, and may lead to harm but it isn't direct harm.
More-so obscenity covers things not covered by the law. I wish I could give a better example for this, because it's pretty extreme and I don't even think this example works, but footage of a school shooting I would assume would be considered obscene. Again other laws basically cover anything else you can imagine.

However I will admit there's some fuzziness to this: I know there are some stories with school shootings in them, and I know people have made animations based on actual school shootings that happened. And to my knowledge those people never got charged with obscenity because they technically have some value politically, they were shock-content but in the animation's case it was made to promote gun-control. Further I will admit it sometimes gets complicated when you think about it too much.
Would we call fishing and animal hunting footage animal abuse? No we wouldn't, but by definition both involve animals suffering. So it's kind of important to just accept sometimes definitions are exactly defined.

Again the main difference is inherent with the medium.
Recording yourself murdering someone kind of overrides any excuse for artistic and political expression, because it's just murder.
A story, or a drawing, that is fiction is what the obscenity laws are aimed towards nowadays. They're The Turner Diaries stories.
They're this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obscenity_controversies_in_literature

You entirely missed the point.

You can argue until the cows come home, but my point is you won't convince those people who think that way to change their minds. Art is not real anyway. Just a made up term people arbitrarily apply to something they enjoy. People call nature art even though no one made it.

They never arrived to their conclusion reasoning with logic, so using it on them has no effect. They will still call the aftermath of burning a man alive or an aborted fetus filled with dildos art. Their reasoning is derived from the emotion of what they believe to be art gives them, not logic. Terrible people will consider terrible things art, even if we disagree.

I personally believe it doesn't qualify as art either, but again not everyone will agree. People have different opinions about everything, even morality. That's why pedophiles and rapists exist. Many pedos genuinely believe it is not immoral (it fucking is) while others like it because they know it is. Remember, Hitler thought he was the hero of his story. He wasn't just evil for evils sake. All I'm saying is there will be people who consider it art, whether or not you agree. They will just disregard your opinion like you would (rightfully) disregard theirs for being degenerates.

Again, I'm not saying this is art, just that people have literally called worse things than this art and they are just as insane for it so trying to have a debate about it only aknowledges and (in their own mind) validates their shitty opinions because they think people are actually taking it seriously.

 

[Crimson Fucker]

Tl Dr; I agree that shit isn't art but good luck convincing those retards it isn't.

 

[Constant]

 

[Galactic Innerways]

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What thread is that?

 

[universe adventurer]

What thread is that?

here:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/official-kiwi-farms-furry-love-thread.181619/post-17603595

 

[Constant]

Just gonna keep the Madre Muerte / @Puta Madre stuff in this thread for organization’s sake

someone summarized that spic zoophile thing which I already covered it here