Kiwi Null - Kiwi Farms Joshua Moon Megathread

[Muttley]

Muhammad had black hair and white skin tho

theres sahih hadith that describe his complexion as reddish or rosey

 

[Gore San]

Also the very defining trait of a Muslim is that they, ideally, belong to a supernational theocracy.
Muslims can never be a part of the White national identity, even if they were to come from Saxon stock.
Ipso facto they can never be White.

Aryan refers to indo-iranian and caucuses is close enough to where middle east is and is historically close. I should probably add Judaism was around longer than Islam has existed so were in the middle east first. Iran only became Muslim recently. It was mostly pagans and Jews before Islam took over the middle east. But it doesn't really matter who was where first because people are there now. It would be no different than arguing USA give it's land back to native Americans. Winners keep loot. Simple as.

 

[BittersweetSymphonyBittersweetSymphony is verified member.]

Dead site.
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And even when they're up, they only have 2500 - 3000 active users. Only 900 can be bothered to log in and post, so those are the hardcore users. The rest are just lurkers. When you put this in perspective, this is a tiny userbase. At their peak popularity, the Groypers were 10,000 people as one example before they fell from grace.

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Here's a thought. The Kiwi Farms is dying. As such, to keep a group together, one way is to redirect all their minds and energy into attacking a scapegoat. Right now that scapegoat is Vtubers/anime/lolicons. In recent past and now, it is also Nick Rekieta. In the past, it was Ethan Ralph. Or LFJ or Vordrak. You attack some external group or single target to rally your troops and strengthen their bonds for the in-group (KF). It lets the in-group feel morally righteous and purposeful like you are accomplishing something. The sad reality is that it's just a purity-spiral witchunt. No one is actually pure enough to survive the witchburning, especially not the dear leader Josh with his extensive online Blocklands past. The anime-avatars bullied Josh for years so he hates them all and has PTSD from even seeing anime cause he associates that with people bullying him for scamming 12K from 8chan. It also hurts badly when your website is irrelevant and gets little buzz but people use it for their own content to get rich like TurkeyTom. It stings when you gotta watch Vtubers make Kirsche and Gura/Saba (who just got doxxed today on KF btw) make boatloads of money pandering to lolicons. So it feels rewarding to attack the Vtubers out of spite and sour grapes. And there's decent overlap between the Vtubers and lolicons so you lump them all together as "anime-people" and attack them.

So when your website is irrelevant and bleeds out users every month (and you ban dozens per week), what can you do to pump engagement so you can keep getting dono's and sit on your ass and not have to work? You insert the KF everywhere, into everything trending trying to jump on topics like a tick on a dog. And you attack a couple scapegoats to keep the in-group together. When they attack the out-group, they are not infighting and tearing each other to shreds. Ultimately, most KF'ers can't help themselves as they've been whipped up into a moral panic in a purity spiral. So they will attack each other and dox each other and turn themselves into the content. It's kind of like the movie "The Thing" where there is a dangerous alien they call "The Thing" that can mimic humans' appearances and a group of people are trapped in a snowy building with "The Thing." The alien could be any of them but it looks just like a human so they are walking around with a flamethrower (just like the flames of a witchburning) trying to hunt down The Thing. The paranoia goes through the roof and consumes the entire group as they accuse each other of being The Thing. The KF'ers all have skeletons in their closets so any of them could be Vtuber fans or lolicons or anime fans.

So right now, Josh points to the lolicons and thinks it's a slam dunk target cause "Won't someone please think of the children?" (that are not real and fictional characters, which is akin to playing GTA and running people over in the car in a video game). But Josh is not campaigning to stop portraying fantasy violence in video games, movies, or tv shows bc there is no one he is jealous of that is making millions of dollars like Kirsche or Saba so he's not going to pretend to be outraged against these topics.

If you read Lidl Drip, you will see despite being a feminist, she is very masculine in her language like a teenage edgy boy. It's one of the secret tells that "she" is not what she seems. That is why she reads as a Josh sock.

When I used to be on this 'shit hole' back around 2022. It was usually over 1000 users.

 

[Gore San]

theres sahih hadith that describe his complexion as reddish or rosey

It said his hair had a slight tint to it one description which isn't the same as a red head. Probably closer to this.

Josh should really fix his site so we can continue laughing at him.

 

[Obscenity2022]

To be honest, you can't blame mainstream gays and lesbians getting pissed at pedophiles trying to coat-tail off the gay rights movement. Transpeople are a different matter. You had transpeople even during the time of the prophet (Muhammed) and interacted with him. One of them had a wife and family. I draw the line between mainstream transgendered individuals and a freak who suddenly proclaims he's a woman and wants to change in a woman's locker room.

I think the biggest thing about the trans movement is that its still having definitions, like back during the Stonewall riots you had drag queens and other groups that enjoyed acting like the opposite gender, but that wasn't a whole sexuality to most people. Look at Dog Day Afternoon, the gay dude robbing a bank to afford money for his boyfriend's sex change operation, but up until maybe a decade ago they wouldn't categorize that as a movie with a tranny in it. it would have just been a movie about a fag and his boyfriend.

and you're right there were tons of trannies that just didn't identify as such and weren't identified as such because that whole concept of it being its own sexuality wasn't really talked about.

pedos have a similar thing, like if you're a dude trying to stick your dick in a 16 year old, in most places in the world outside of the US, you weren't distinct from the rest of society. you might have been considered a creep, but so were race mixers, who ironically enough went from a distinct group on par with pedos, to just being considered a normal part of society.

the gay thing, from what my college professors said, mainly has different issues regarding age of consent because the gay population is so much lower. in a city of a million people, a gay person might only have 5k partners to chose from at maximum, and that's counting the closeted, so they sort of have to abandon a lot of normal sexual rules just to get laid. Its similar to how every white supremacist seems to have a non-white girlfriend, you can't be picky if the number of partners is so fucking low for some reason.

like if one day 99.5% of the population fucking vanished, damn straight the remaining population isn't going to give a flying fuck about age of consent or other issues. you're just lucky to have a relationship at that point.

Why was Pride Month pretty weak this year? It wasn't just Trump taking away the USAID money that funded social activist programs like pride parades, another big reason was various Jewish progressive activist groups pulling their funding away from many Pride-related events this year over a sizeable chunk of the LGBT community criticizing Israel and they're partnering with commies that oppose Israel and Zionism

to be fair, this was bound to happen, Zionism is like being pro-South Africa in the 1980s, every fucker that went to school was practically taught their entire lives that what's going on there is fucking bad, so unless you're personally related to the conflict you're not going to give a fuck and have a stronger issue outside of what you're told.

Its like asking anyone not in Asia about the Dalai Lama, outside of what we catch from pop culture or school we won't have anything resembling a hold on the issue and therefore will probably be pro-Lama, whereas the chinks have an entirely different set of views because they actually know whats going on.

You'd be shocked how many boomers don't realize Nelson Mandela was a huge Hamas and Hezbollah fanboy and openly said it was one struggle, and not only that, but South Africa and Israel themselves said the same shit, which is why they were so closely aliled.

And let's be more honest its not like niggers are less homophobic than muslims, both once they assimlate treat them mostly better but its just as silly to be BLM as it is to be anti-zionist.

And even when they're up, they only have 2500 - 3000 active users. Only 900 can be bothered to log in and post, so those are the hardcore users. The rest are just lurkers. When you put this in perspective, this is a tiny userbase. At their peak popularity, the Groypers were 10,000 people as one example before they fell from grace.

much like how Josh's age keeps falling to the point he is now under 10 when blocklands happens, the DAU count keeps surging every time Josh brings it up, he's claiming 15k DAU, despite most users being like AnOmnius and clearly spending 8+ hours a day logged in and shitposting.

You really telling me Toji or Welperhelper or Catchtherainbow have jobs that mean they have to log off and touch grass at any point?

its pretty fucking obvious that not only is the userbase small, the few remaining are of lower quality than they were a few years back. Null banning anyone doing deep dives on counts like @All becomes gunt doesn't help matters. Most of the users seem to be going after each other vs talking about lolcows.

literally the most active parts of the site thanks to the BP takeover are those grooming parts, where the pro-epstein Welperhelper99 and other pro-epstein users try and go after anyone that null labels a lolicon enthusiast

 

[Gore San]

Josh should really fix his site so we can continue laughing at him.

It's back.
I guess it wasn't so off topic here after all.

 

[Lunar Magma]

So you're not going to mention that's what the rest of the middle east wants to do with Israel? I want it all carpet bombed and replaced with McDonald's and Walmart because fuck jews and Muslims.

No, I'm not. Because the whole situation is a clusterfuck and both sides have blood on their hands. I just found the contradiction in the poster's one point funny. I don't have a dog in that fight and neither of us are going to affect it either way so whatever.

I dunno that sounds a little Jewish to me, very few groups actually define themselves by otherizing some external actor.

Plenty do and you must not pay attention to any politics if you don't see this. The whole thing about Jewish identity is seeing yourself as unique and separate from the rest of the world. It's us vs them. They hate us 'cause we're the chosen people. Blah blah. If you're Palestinian, you're defined by decades of feeling oppressed by Israel and the conflict there and the Jews stealing land and bombing your people. Like you're a freedom fighter. Us vs them. If you're in online far right politics, it's all about nationalism vs globalists and specifically against the boogeymen progressives and typically Jews. If you're in online leftist politics, it's all about stopping the evil far right boogeymen nazis and racists that want to want to do x to minorities and deport all x. It's all about blaming capitalism and the uber-rich oligarchs. If you're MAGA Trumpers, then it's all about blaming the immigrants and Mexicans and Muslims and so on and larping as trad-America. There is a huge chunk of leftist people whose identity is "fuck Trump." If you're Muslim, it's all about believing in Allah vs those that do not who are heathens and infidels. I could list dozens of examples but I think you get my point now.

When I used to be on this 'shit hole' back around 2022. It was usually over 1000 users.

What if we reach a timeline where the Onion Farms gets bigger than Kiwi Farms? I think that would break some people's minds. Who knows? If Josh continues alienating people and being a shit moderator, then we could live in that timeline. My fear though is that Moon will just continue bringing in fresh waves of new blood newfags that don't know any of the lore while he sheds and bans each wave of past users. So maybe there won't be a breaking point where KF officially dies or gets down to 50 active users. Moon will keep it running purely out of spite.

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Josh should really fix his site so we can continue laughing at him.

That itself is probably dyed hair though tbh. So maybe it's not the best example. I tend to be skeptical of historical descriptions of really old events, just knowing how much people lie or twist or get simple stuff wrong. Like they say Egyptian pharaohs and mummies had red hair but I've also heard this was a dye or change from the mummification process. And lots of people think Jesus was white cause Europeans made art projecting their physical features into their messiah. Despite the evidence suggesting he was a brown Semite with dark hair and olive skin. Many people believe what they want to believe. But I'll leave it there as this is all off-topic and the focus should be on bashing Moon.

 

[Muttley]

It's us vs them.

Us vs them is not defined by them, it's defined by us.

Do you think White supremacists derive their identity from nigger existing?
That's very progressive of you but complete and utter bullshit.

 

[BittersweetSymphonyBittersweetSymphony is verified member.]

What if we reach a timeline where the Onion Farms gets bigger than Kiwi Farms? I think that would break some people's minds. Who knows? If Josh continues alienating people and being a shit moderator, then we could live in that timeline. My fear though is that Moon will just continue bringing in fresh waves of new blood newfags that don't know any of the lore while he sheds and bans each wave of past users. So maybe there won't be a breaking point where KF officially dies or gets down to 50 active users. Moon will keep it running purely out of spite.

Keffals made the biggest advertisement for Kiwi Farms.

 

[SwanSwanson]

If you read Lidl Drip, you will see despite being a feminist, she is very masculine in her language like a teenage edgy boy. It's one of the secret tells that "she" is not what she seems. That is why she reads as a Josh sock.

Well. If that's the case who was the girl he brought on his podcast? What was going on with the watermelon incident where null told drip to stop freaking out over them? What about the fact that drip won't always be offended if you disagree with her but null seems to put you on a "shitlist" immediately? I've been banned multiple times and most of the time it's because I've offended null, not lidl drip, infact lidl drip herself seems to have taken more of a backfoot realizing that freaking out isn't making her look good. I feel like things would look way different if drip and null were two different people.

 

[LeafSpirit]

You jest, can one soul be split in two? I see no mirror. Just a shadow that follows, an admirer. Yes, I see it clear.

 

[SwanSwanson]

I still find it funny how the LGBT lacks the self preservation to side with Islam.

Their idea is that they can turn Islam into a sort of barney Islam like they did with Christianity. Why wouldn't it work? Alot of homosexual advocates have been to university and have seen muslims who support progressivism, so why can't they corrupt Islam as a whole? That's the idea anyways.

 

[Takeru (T.K) Takaishi]

Jersh arguing over religion because he wants a cult of personality around him. He pretends to be this major tech geek when he and his entire site haven't even heard of Telecomix and deny it's existence. Hell, I bet they don't even know about Lulzsec despite that even crossing over briefly to Chris Chan lore with the Sony hack but you know, they are retarded. Jersh talking about religion is the same as him talking about tech, he knows absolutely nothing and probably gets it all from Europa Universalis 4.

 

[Gore San]

You jest, can one soul be split in two? I see no mirror. Just a shadow that follows, an admirer. Yes, I see it clear.

What

 

[Lunar Magma]

Us vs them is not defined by them, it's defined by us.

To a degree. But it's also defined by "them."

Do you think White supremacists derive their identity from nigger existing?

Yes. I do. A white nationalist or white supremacist would not have a reason to exist if it wasn't for other races existing that he doesn't like or want to live around. It's almost entirely defined by "them." You don't know entirely who you are until you encounter the other and realize how different you are to the outsider. For instance, people in Europe don't recognize "white" as an ethnic group bc they take it for granted they are are all white people like a fish in a container of water only knows water. I'm not talking about last couple decades with them importing Turks and Africans and Syrian and so on. Euros split based on nationality and religion and have big wars in the past, based on differences in religion and territory. Germans vs English vs French, etc. 30 Years War. WW1 and 2, to name a couple. And before these countries were nations they were tribes wandering around but always aware of the other tribes and differences between each other. And go back further, they were hominins wandering around and interbreeding and warring with each other. Homo sapiens vs Neanderthals vs Denisovans, etc. So one's identity is always connected to an outside external group.

Or think of this. When those European settler stocks came to America, the different nationalities mixed (French, German, English, Irish, etc.). As their original nation's ancestry became less relevant, they became white people or Americans. And they only started recognizing themselves as White in stark contrast to the African black slaves they brought over as well. And in contrast to the Indians. Us vs them.

Well. If that's the case who was the girl he brought on his podcast? What was going on with the watermelon incident where null told drip to stop freaking out over them? What about the fact that drip won't always be offended if you disagree with her but null seems to put you on a "shitlist" immediately? I've been banned multiple times and most of the time it's because I've offended null, not lidl drip, infact lidl drip herself seems to have taken more of a backfoot realizing that freaking out isn't making her look good. I feel like things would look way different if drip and null were two different people.

The girl mocking Metokur was probably an AI voice or Josh himself with a voice changer, or some hoe he hired to do it for him. There is no evidence it was Lidl Drip.
>watermelon incident
I don't know but sometimes I imagine Josh being like a Norman Bates character from Psycho where he's roleplaying multiple people and laughing to himself at the reaction to his performance on the sock account.
>I've been banned multiple times and most of the time it's because I've offended null, not lidl drip,
Well they are going to have some different triggers if they are different characters. Other people have gotten indirectly banned by Lidl Drip reporting them. I mean, Josh isn't gonna outright give Lidl Drip global mod powers or it might be too obvious it's just himself.
>I feel like things would look way different if drip and null were two different people.
It is an interesting mystery nonetheless. If they are 2 different people, are they mirroring each other intentionally? Is is subconscious? Is Josh larping as a male feminist that hates men, thinking women like Drip want this behavior? Drip just happens to hold the same exact views and hates the same people Moon does. She hates Styx. She hates Metokur. She hates trannies. She hates anime. She hates lolicons. She hates Vtubers. She hates weebs. She also goes hard in the paint for Moon. She basically defends him no matter what, which is weird. Is it a parasocial thing where this female is super-bonded to Moon by watching his podcast and reading his posts all day? If they are 2 different people, they have to be romantically-involved. I'm not sure they've ever even disagreed on an issue. I do remember at one point, Moon said a specific female user threatened to break ties with the site when Moon opened a board trying to pander to Vtubers. He never said it was Lidl Drip though so it wasn't conclusive.

 

[Lunar Magma]

Lolicon is for pedophiles and I am required by the rules to state that Touhou is loli. By legal definition lolicon makes you a pedophile, the feds say it not me.

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I've seen you post this all over this site in several threads so I figure I'll critique it, since I'm not allowed to read one page without seeing it every day. Despite my attempts to ignore it and be nice and not cause slapfights. Ok, let's do it then. Your highlighted obscenity federal law basically says it's illegal to give obscene material to minors. Just like it's illegal to sext minors or have sex with minors. And yet, all of the above happens over discord or chat rooms all over the internet world. Just like there are millions of kids in discord channels right now looking at porn or being sent porn that someone sent them in their discord group. Just like it's illegal to pirate music, movies, video games, software, or paid streaming content. It doesn't change the fact that is still happens every day and millions of people are watching live sports events on streameast and downloading mp3's and full movies. If you are doing any of the above and the government wants to go after you, they will prosecute you and make an example out of you. That is not to excuse any of the above but there is a difference between having a law on the books and one that is actively enforced. So the obscenity laws could possibly be applied to loli but the burden of proof is usually going to be too high to actually do anything to someone with loli, unless it's motivated and they want to go after someone.

Now, let's get back to this law. The whole thing is based on the concept of "obscenity" which is poorly-defined. What does this mean? Who knows? One of the worst argued and lamest explanations of obscenity in US law was from the Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, who famously said, "I know it when I see it," regarding obscenity. He made this statement in his opinion in the 1964 case of Jacobellis v. Ohio, which dealt with the definition of obscenity. While he couldn't provide a precise definition, he believed he could recognize it when he encountered it. This basically means, "I have no definition and can't explain obscenity." Or "something that would make Justice Stewart feel icky." Or even "something that would arouse Justice Stewart." The problem here is that obscenity is subjective. What you find offensive and gross is another man's fetish. For example, the entire porn industry could be considered obscene. It's real people being filmed having sex on camera. And yet, they are allowed to operate out in the open with porn studios and it's all over the internet with almost 0 regulation. Only recently have some US states put in laws that require age verification to visit a site like Pornhub and that is easily bypassed by any kid that knows how to use a VPN. And yet most normie kids are tech-savvy, grew up with phones and tablets in their hands, and can fire up a VPN. Hell, all the Youtubers that kids watch shill these VPN's nowadays, so everyone knows what they are and there are free VPN's readily available.

What if aliens came to Earth and they don't have any sexual attraction to any creature on planet Earth including the humans? What is "obscene" to the aliens? Would they recognize this as a valid concept or even be able to relate or understand it? Would they care if Justice Stewart got hard by some porn he watched and then called it "obscene?" What if Justice Stewart saw 2 gay men kissing and said it was gross and obscene? Would they recognize his feeling of disgust and feeling icky as obscene? Would they care if Stewart said it was obscene? Obscenity is not only poorly-defined but subjective and shifting according to culture or time. For instance, a woman dressed like a skank walking around Europe or even in bikini on the beach is accepted or tolerated by western cultural standards. But in the Middle East, a woman puts on her burqa and dressing like a slut might even get her killed by stoning. It's obscene to them but not to us. Is it obscene to walk around showing off your body with revealing clothing? Kind of? It sort of depends on if you find the person attractive. You might like it or you might find it repulsive if the woman is fat and ugly. Is it obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? Kind of. Or it's kind of culturally-appropriate to wear a bikini at the ocean or to get in the water. So is it obscene or not obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? It's subjective.

Another example of obscenity. 50 years ago, almost everyone considered inter-racial relationships and inter-racial marriage to be obscene. Now it is celebrated by leftist progressives and even centrist people as wholesome and based. What was obscene 50 years ago is now normalized and commonplace. The law said you can't do that and now the law says you can, in fact, have sexual intercourse with someone of another race or get married to them. So what is it about the idea of obscenity that changed over time? Having a relationship with a person or another race 50 years is the same thing as doing it now. What about tv shows and movies? Do you know how much garbage is on tv? All horrors movies could be considered obscene. Reality tv shows. South Park. Family Guy. I think it's obscene to me when I go to the store and see fat people walking around and jiggling and riding mobility scooters 'cause they're so fat. It's gross and disgusting but no one is going to write me a federal law saying it's illegal to be fat or to be ugly. It's obscene when ugly fat white women are walking around Walmart with black dudes and in a relationship. But these 2 people are adults consenting to this and want this and there is no law stopping them. Or I find it obscene for people to be walking around in pajamas in the store like they just rolled out of bed in their sleepwear and are forcing me to look a them in pj's, especially men. Or people walking around in revealing clothing when they're fat and ugly. I find it obscene when people are riding around playing loud, vulgar rap music and forcing me to listen to that garbage with gross sexualized lyrics and cursing every breath and the loud pounding bass. I am also offended when people drive down my road in trucks and motorcycles, trying to break the sound barrier by being as loud as humanly possible and it hurts my ears. But no one is writing me a law saying it's illegal to modify your car to be even louder or to fly down the road at max speed. Or to ban motorcycles bc some hick narcissist wants to interrupt everyone on the street and force you to look at him making so much noise riding down the road.

So basically what I'm saying is I don't think that snippet of law means what you THINK it means. Don't distribute porn to minors. Yes. We know. The concept of obscenity is not a valid legal concept. The term is too nebulous and the burden of proof would be too high to meet in most cases thanks to the 1st amendment. If you're gonna invoke legal law to back up your arguments, you might wanna pick something on more stable ground that isn't subjective. I hope you enjoyed my arguments on obscenity. I rest my case.

>Touhou=loli=pedophile.
Have you ever played a Touhou game? I would recommend you download one for free from Moriya Shrine. They have all of the games translated and playable for free. It's clear you are fairly ignorant on the subject so maybe broaden your horizons, step out of your comfort zone, and try understand another's perspective. They are bullet-hell shooter games that feature girl characters. They are actually not sexualized at all. And the games have nice music and cool gameplay. Now, where this becomes a problem is people turning everything into rule34. People are going to make porn of anything. Hell, there are people that make porn of Homer Simpson or Family Guy even though these are not even sexualized. Some people are going to jerk it to Homer but that does make Homer pornographic or even inherently-sexualized. There are people that like feet but that doesn't make feet inherently-sexualized. Should we ban feet pics cause some people are jerking it to feet? I would hope not.

 

[Gore San]

That's a lot of words.

 

[Takeru (T.K) Takaishi]

I've seen you post this all over this site in several threads so I figure I'll critique it, since I'm not allowed to read one page without seeing it every day. Despite my attempts to ignore it and be nice and not cause slapfights. Ok, let's do it then. Your highlighted obscenity federal law basically says it's illegal to give obscene material to minors. Just like it's illegal to sext minors or have sex with minors. And yet, all of the above happens over discord or chat rooms all over the internet world. Just like there are millions of kids in discord channels right now looking at porn or being sent porn that someone sent them in their discord group. Just like it's illegal to pirate music, movies, video games, software, or paid streaming content. It doesn't change the fact that is still happens every day and millions of people are watching live sports events on streameast and downloading mp3's and full movies. If you are doing any of the above and the government wants to go after you, they will prosecute you and make an example out of you. That is not to excuse any of the above but there is a difference between having a law on the books and one that is actively enforced. So the obscenity laws could possibly be applied to loli but the burden of proof is usually going to be too high to actually do anything to someone with loli, unless it's motivated and they want to go after someone.

Now, let's get back to this law. The whole thing is based on the concept of "obscenity" which is poorly-defined. What does this mean? Who knows? One of the worst argued and lamest explanations of obscenity in US law was from the Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, who famously said, "I know it when I see it," regarding obscenity. He made this statement in his opinion in the 1964 case of Jacobellis v. Ohio, which dealt with the definition of obscenity. While he couldn't provide a precise definition, he believed he could recognize it when he encountered it. This basically means, "I have no definition and can't explain obscenity." Or "something that would make Justice Stewart feel icky." Or even "something that would arouse Justice Stewart." The problem here is that obscenity is subjective. What you find offensive and gross is another man's fetish. For example, the entire porn industry could be considered obscene. It's real people being filmed having sex on camera. And yet, they are allowed to operate out in the open with porn studios and it's all over the internet with almost 0 regulation. Only recently have some US states put in laws that require age verification to visit a site like Pornhub and that is easily bypassed by any kid that knows how to use a VPN. And yet most normie kids are tech-savvy, grew up with phones and tablets in their hands, and can fire up a VPN. Hell, all the Youtubers that kids watch shill these VPN's nowadays, so everyone knows what they are and there are free VPN's readily available.

What if aliens came to Earth and they don't have any sexual attraction to any creature on planet Earth including the humans? What is "obscene" to the aliens? Would they recognize this as a valid concept or even be able to relate or understand it? Would they care if Justice Stewart got hard by some porn he watched and then called it "obscene?" What if Justice Stewart saw 2 gay men kissing and said it was gross and obscene? Would they recognize his feeling of disgust and feeling icky as obscene? Would they care if Stewart said it was obscene? Obscenity is not only poorly-defined but subjective and shifting according to culture or time. For instance, a woman dressed like a skank walking around Europe or even in bikini on the beach is accepted or tolerated by western cultural standards. But in the Middle East, a woman puts on her burqa and dressing like a slut might even get her killed by stoning. It's obscene to them but not to us. Is it obscene to walk around showing off your body with revealing clothing? Kind of? It sort of depends on if you find the person attractive. You might like it or you might find it repulsive if the woman is fat and ugly. Is it obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? Kind of. Or it's kind of culturally-appropriate to wear a bikini at the ocean or to get in the water. So is it obscene or not obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? It's subjective.

Another example of obscenity. 50 years ago, almost everyone considered inter-racial relationships and inter-racial marriage to be obscene. Now it is celebrated by leftist progressives and even centrist people as wholesome and based. What was obscene 50 years ago is now normalized and commonplace. The law said you can't do that and now the law says you can, in fact, have sexual intercourse with someone of another race or get married to them. So what is it about the idea of obscenity that changed over time? Having a relationship with a person or another race 50 years is the same thing as doing it now. What about tv shows and movies? Do you know how much garbage is on tv? All horrors movies could be considered obscene. Reality tv shows. South Park. Family Guy. I think it's obscene to me when I go to the store and see fat people walking around and jiggling and riding mobility scooters 'cause they're so fat. It's gross and disgusting but no one is going to write me a federal law saying it's illegal to be fat or to be ugly. It's obscene when ugly fat white women are walking around Walmart with black dudes and in a relationship. But these 2 people are adults consenting to this and want this and there is no law stopping them. Or I find it obscene for people to be walking around in pajamas in the store like they just rolled out of bed in their sleepwear and are forcing me to look a them in pj's, especially men. Or people walking around in revealing clothing when they're fat and ugly. I find it obscene when people are riding around playing loud, vulgar rap music and forcing me to listen to that garbage with gross sexualized lyrics and cursing every breath and the loud pounding bass. I am also offended when people drive down my road in trucks and motorcycles, trying to break the sound barrier by being as loud as humanly possible and it hurts my ears. But no one is writing me a law saying it's illegal to modify your car to be even louder or to fly down the road at max speed. Or to ban motorcycles bc some hick narcissist wants to interrupt everyone on the street and force you to look at him making so much noise riding down the road.

So basically what I'm saying is I don't think that snippet of law means what you THINK it means. Don't distribute porn to minors. Yes. We know. The concept of obscenity is not a valid legal concept. The term is too nebulous and the burden of proof would be too high to meet in most cases thanks to the 1st amendment. If you're gonna invoke legal law to back up your arguments, you might wanna pick something on more stable ground that isn't subjective. I hope you enjoyed my arguments on obscenity. I rest my case.

>Touhou=loli=pedophile.
Have you ever played a Touhou game? I would recommend you download one for free from Moriya Shrine. They have all of the games translated and playable for free. It's clear you are fairly ignorant on the subject so maybe broaden your horizons, step out of your comfort zone, and try understand another's perspective. They are bullet-hell shooter games that feature girl characters. They are actually not sexualized at all. And the games have nice music and cool gameplay. Now, where this becomes a problem is people turning everything into rule34. People are going to make porn of anything. Hell, there are people that make porn of Homer Simpson or Family Guy even though these are not even sexualized. Some people are going to jerk it to Homer but that does make Homer pornographic or even inherently-sexualized. There are people that like feet but that doesn't make feet inherently-sexualized. Should we ban feet pics cause some people are jerking it to feet? I would hope not.

Tl;dr

You're a pedo. The law is the law. Don't like it set a precedent or change it.

 

[Kiwi Pot Pie]

You really telling me Toji or Welperhelper or Catchtherainbow have jobs that mean they have to log off and touch grass at any point?

its pretty fucking obvious that not only is the userbase small, the few remaining are of lower quality than they were a few years back. Null banning anyone doing deep dives on counts like @All becomes gunt doesn't help matters. Most of the users seem to be going after each other vs talking about lolcows.

literally the most active parts of the site thanks to the BP takeover are those grooming parts, where the pro-epstein Welperhelper99 and other pro-epstein users try and go after anyone that null labels a lolicon enthusiast

That reminds me, Catchtherainbow is so dedicated to his Jew larp that he does not post on the hours of the Sabbath in Israel (he must not live inside an eruv). He may be receiving money from the Israeli government for hasbara purposes.

 

[Kan]

I've seen you post this all over this site in several threads so I figure I'll critique it, since I'm not allowed to read one page without seeing it every day. Despite my attempts to ignore it and be nice and not cause slapfights. Ok, let's do it then. Your highlighted obscenity federal law basically says it's illegal to give obscene material to minors. Just like it's illegal to sext minors or have sex with minors. And yet, all of the above happens over discord or chat rooms all over the internet world. Just like there are millions of kids in discord channels right now looking at porn or being sent porn that someone sent them in their discord group. Just like it's illegal to pirate music, movies, video games, software, or paid streaming content. It doesn't change the fact that is still happens every day and millions of people are watching live sports events on streameast and downloading mp3's and full movies. If you are doing any of the above and the government wants to go after you, they will prosecute you and make an example out of you. That is not to excuse any of the above but there is a difference between having a law on the books and one that is actively enforced. So the obscenity laws could possibly be applied to loli but the burden of proof is usually going to be too high to actually do anything to someone with loli, unless it's motivated and they want to go after someone.

Now, let's get back to this law. The whole thing is based on the concept of "obscenity" which is poorly-defined. What does this mean? Who knows? One of the worst argued and lamest explanations of obscenity in US law was from the Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, who famously said, "I know it when I see it," regarding obscenity. He made this statement in his opinion in the 1964 case of Jacobellis v. Ohio, which dealt with the definition of obscenity. While he couldn't provide a precise definition, he believed he could recognize it when he encountered it. This basically means, "I have no definition and can't explain obscenity." Or "something that would make Justice Stewart feel icky." Or even "something that would arouse Justice Stewart." The problem here is that obscenity is subjective. What you find offensive and gross is another man's fetish. For example, the entire porn industry could be considered obscene. It's real people being filmed having sex on camera. And yet, they are allowed to operate out in the open with porn studios and it's all over the internet with almost 0 regulation. Only recently have some US states put in laws that require age verification to visit a site like Pornhub and that is easily bypassed by any kid that knows how to use a VPN. And yet most normie kids are tech-savvy, grew up with phones and tablets in their hands, and can fire up a VPN. Hell, all the Youtubers that kids watch shill these VPN's nowadays, so everyone knows what they are and there are free VPN's readily available.

What if aliens came to Earth and they don't have any sexual attraction to any creature on planet Earth including the humans? What is "obscene" to the aliens? Would they recognize this as a valid concept or even be able to relate or understand it? Would they care if Justice Stewart got hard by some porn he watched and then called it "obscene?" What if Justice Stewart saw 2 gay men kissing and said it was gross and obscene? Would they recognize his feeling of disgust and feeling icky as obscene? Would they care if Stewart said it was obscene? Obscenity is not only poorly-defined but subjective and shifting according to culture or time. For instance, a woman dressed like a skank walking around Europe or even in bikini on the beach is accepted or tolerated by western cultural standards. But in the Middle East, a woman puts on her burqa and dressing like a slut might even get her killed by stoning. It's obscene to them but not to us. Is it obscene to walk around showing off your body with revealing clothing? Kind of? It sort of depends on if you find the person attractive. You might like it or you might find it repulsive if the woman is fat and ugly. Is it obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? Kind of. Or it's kind of culturally-appropriate to wear a bikini at the ocean or to get in the water. So is it obscene or not obscene to wear a bikini at the beach? It's subjective.

Another example of obscenity. 50 years ago, almost everyone considered inter-racial relationships and inter-racial marriage to be obscene. Now it is celebrated by leftist progressives and even centrist people as wholesome and based. What was obscene 50 years ago is now normalized and commonplace. The law said you can't do that and now the law says you can, in fact, have sexual intercourse with someone of another race or get married to them. So what is it about the idea of obscenity that changed over time? Having a relationship with a person or another race 50 years is the same thing as doing it now. What about tv shows and movies? Do you know how much garbage is on tv? All horrors movies could be considered obscene. Reality tv shows. South Park. Family Guy. I think it's obscene to me when I go to the store and see fat people walking around and jiggling and riding mobility scooters 'cause they're so fat. It's gross and disgusting but no one is going to write me a federal law saying it's illegal to be fat or to be ugly. It's obscene when ugly fat white women are walking around Walmart with black dudes and in a relationship. But these 2 people are adults consenting to this and want this and there is no law stopping them. Or I find it obscene for people to be walking around in pajamas in the store like they just rolled out of bed in their sleepwear and are forcing me to look a them in pj's, especially men. Or people walking around in revealing clothing when they're fat and ugly. I find it obscene when people are riding around playing loud, vulgar rap music and forcing me to listen to that garbage with gross sexualized lyrics and cursing every breath and the loud pounding bass. I am also offended when people drive down my road in trucks and motorcycles, trying to break the sound barrier by being as loud as humanly possible and it hurts my ears. But no one is writing me a law saying it's illegal to modify your car to be even louder or to fly down the road at max speed. Or to ban motorcycles bc some hick narcissist wants to interrupt everyone on the street and force you to look at him making so much noise riding down the road.

So basically what I'm saying is I don't think that snippet of law means what you THINK it means. Don't distribute porn to minors. Yes. We know. The concept of obscenity is not a valid legal concept. The term is too nebulous and the burden of proof would be too high to meet in most cases thanks to the 1st amendment. If you're gonna invoke legal law to back up your arguments, you might wanna pick something on more stable ground that isn't subjective. I hope you enjoyed my arguments on obscenity. I rest my case.

>Touhou=loli=pedophile.
Have you ever played a Touhou game? I would recommend you download one for free from Moriya Shrine. They have all of the games translated and playable for free. It's clear you are fairly ignorant on the subject so maybe broaden your horizons, step out of your comfort zone, and try understand another's perspective. They are bullet-hell shooter games that feature girl characters. They are actually not sexualized at all. And the games have nice music and cool gameplay. Now, where this becomes a problem is people turning everything into rule34. People are going to make porn of anything. Hell, there are people that make porn of Homer Simpson or Family Guy even though these are not even sexualized. Some people are going to jerk it to Homer but that does make Homer pornographic or even inherently-sexualized. There are people that like feet but that doesn't make feet inherently-sexualized. Should we ban feet pics cause some people are jerking it to feet? I would hope not.

Ahem.
Actual loli porn is something that would definitely be something total degenerates would dap to, whether or not they’re actually attracted towards children.

And to tie it back to the thread topic, Josh definitely has a history of being such, by virtue of that weird shota shit.