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[nobodyworthwhile]

a more modern term for "tabula rasa". basically the idea that a Haitian turned haiti into a shithole because of things beyond their control and if we let them come to america, they'd be just as hard working and patriotic and right wing as your average white american.

Basically it means a right winger who isn't racist. like Welperhelper or Johnny Bravo or a bunch of other boomers. "black people are only like that because of culture and nothing else"

I mean, isn't that mostly true though? If people were biologically determined to act a certain way, they could never have made functioning societies and likely would have gone extinct.

It doesn't necessarily have to be that dirt was magic or anything, there is such a thing as being screwed over by circumstance, just like how some people are born into prosperity. It's like playing Civilization and you just happen to start nowhere near a good resource.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a moral busybody, can we PLEASE tone down the use of slurs? It's already something driving me away from Kiwi Farms and it's rather sad to see people on the forum that always bitches about how insane KF is... sounding exactly like KF. As I say in that post, its not even just that slurs are offensive, its also the absolute tourette's-like spamming of them. (Not helped by how Kiwis get petulant when you explain the problem--"Oh, this bothers you? I will do it EVEN MORE!" just like kids you knew in grade school).

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

Looks like KiwiFarms have found out the truth about archive dot is.

There's been an update to this. Apparently somebody was using that site to archive CSAM.

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

Archive Today has always been sketchy as fuck.

The moderation is way too lax and I've heard stories on how they don't really do much to take down illegal content which shows me they're probably fucking screwed.

And I know they're screwed because if the FBI wanted to then they'd just send an email to the owner of Archive Today and I'm sure the owner would happily comply.

But the fact that the FBI is sending a subpoena to a Canadian tech company means one thing. The FBI wants to to know who runs Archive Today and how they can legally nail them. That alone shows me the glowies want the head of the Archive Today owner on a silver platter.

But truth be told, I think the CSAM is an excuse. I've heard rumors that Archive Today is run by a Russian foreign national and since the Biden years the American government has been seizing Russian-connected websites deemed being used to influence American public opinion. I think this is it, if you are a Russian offering services to Westerners then get ready to be raped by the Western feds. Just look at what happened to the guy that founded Telegram.

So if the Western glowies permanently shut down Archive Today then it's the end of an era.

 

[Kiwismarms]

I think at this point we can collectively agree that 'muh-Think of the Children' is a midwit argument used to justify authoritarianism.

By all sides,yes it is. See the Archive.IS takedown as a classic exampleof it.

like what does he mean no one cares?

He's talking shit. I care. Gay Marraige, of which I was on board for at the time (I honestly didn't give a fuck one way of the other) is a failed experiment and should be reversed.
What's more telling, is that these big bad right wing parties are not platforming for the removal of gay marriage, like it's a settled debate and that's it.
So much for conservation of traditionalism.

These political positions became very unpopular throughout the 2000's which is why America got eight years of Obama

Obama was against gay marriage for a long time. He originally ran on a platform opposing it.

So when you see retarded Moral Majority Republicans push for mass surveillance for the Internet

They aren't right wing, they're the uniparty. Those in power want censorship.

I don't see much of a future for the right in it's current form.

The right doesn't exist and hasn't done for decades. One could argue Bush was the last of the right wing but he was a centrist at best.

There's been an update to this. Apparently somebody was using that site to archive CSAM.

A cover story for anyone paying attention. They go after archived CSAM now, by definition the archive means it has been around a while, and not when it was originally uploaded or captured?
This is Kash trying to get a win after the complete fuck up of the epstein files and a precursor to internet censorship.
"see, we go after pedophiles. Now if we all had online ID there would be no more pedophiles (except the ones we protect)"

 

[Kiwismarms]

But the fact that the FBI is sending a subpoena to a Canadian tech company means one thing.

The irony is that KF laugh at Ofcom (UK) sending demands to 4chan and the farms, to background noises of yeehaw and 1776 "because what the fuck is another country doing telling us what to do", while cheering on the FBI censoring a canadian website.

Is the internet free and should be open and protected, or should it be censored in ways that are OK when they do it?

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

Call it a gut hunch but I get the feeling that the archived CSAM on Archive Today is just an excuse.

The main difference between the Internet Archive and Archive Today is that the Internet Archive have more stringed rules when it comes to copyright takedowns, they comply with takedown requests of illegal porn, they take down doxes and other forms of harassment, and they act in good faith enough which is why the feds don't fuck with them.

Archive Today? It's an almost free for all where almost anything goes which means the glowies are going to take a lot of interest in them.

I've heard rumors that the Trump administration is silently telling Youtube to take down anti-Israel videos and channels. Archive Today has plenty of anti-Israel and antisemitic content. So if this is a collaboration between America (CIA) and Israel (Mossad) to take down platforms and then blame it on Russia then I think it may work because normies are going to look at this and say 'Oh, website owner is a child predator so this is a good thing' and not bother to look at the details to see why everything about this is screwy.

If this is the case, I do see other websites that comes to mind that could be raped by the Western feds soon. If you think Western democracies don't violate people's right to free speech, oh yes they can and they fucking will. It's well documented that America violated the First Amendment rights of their citizens during World War 1 and the Vietnam War by the way.

 

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Looks like KiwiFarms have found out the truth about archive dot is.

They’re ACTUALLY brain broken. Any inconvenience MUST be Indians.

 

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I mean, isn't that mostly true though? If people were biologically determined to act a certain way, they could never have made functioning societies and likely would have gone extinct.

It doesn't necessarily have to be that dirt was magic or anything, there is such a thing as being screwed over by circumstance, just like how some people are born into prosperity. It's like playing Civilization and you just happen to start nowhere near a good resource.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a moral busybody, can we PLEASE tone down the use of slurs? It's already something driving me away from Kiwi Farms and it's rather sad to see people on the forum that always bitches about how insane KF is... sounding exactly like KF. As I say in that post, its not even just that slurs are offensive, its also the absolute tourette's-like spamming of them. (Not helped by how Kiwis get petulant when you explain the problem--"Oh, this bothers you? I will do it EVEN MORE!" just like kids you knew in grade school).

Nobody, save you breath, Obscenity’s a proud racist. He’s spamming “nigger” because he’s racist. You’re just going to start a pointless shit flinging sesh.

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

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They’re ACTUALLY brain broken. Any inconvenience MUST be Indians.

The fuck does "do the needful" even mean? I see that phrase a lot on KF and while I can guess at its meanings, its just so weird that I'm never sure.

Also didn't quite see what that post had to do with indians, sorry.

EDIT: Also, I don't mind Obscenity being racist so much, but seeing the n-word eight times in one post is genuinely unpleasant. It's like toilet humor: once every couple of hours I can stand it, but if its nonstop then I'm changing the channel.

 

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The fuck does "do the needful" even mean? I see that phrase a lot on KF and while I can guess at its meanings, its just so weird that I'm never sure.

Also didn't quite see what that post had to do with indians, sorry.

“Saar” and “do the needful” are both common phrases used to mock Indians. “Patel” is essentially the Indian version of “Tyrone”.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

“Saar” and “do the needful” are both common phrases used to mock Indians. “Patel” is essentially the Indian version of “Tyrone”.

I wonder how much it will take before Null creates his own website for archiving stuff?

 

[Obscenity2022]

I mean, isn't that mostly true though? If people were biologically determined to act a certain way, they could never have made functioning societies and likely would have gone extinct.

ok but haitians have never made a functioning society. like that's why i used them as an example. in general plenty of ethnicities refuse to support american ideals. ideals that are as natural to a teutonic white person as twerking is to a black.

if every non-white immigrant was as white and american as 10th generation americans why would immigrant heavy areas of the US change enforcement of laws or lower their standards in order to help immigrants? you have plenty of places in the US that have virtually stopped traffic enforcement because its apparently a waste of time vs when it was 90%+ white areas, same thing with basics like truancy laws or drug possions laws.

your idea that its "mostly true" is completely fucking wrong once you actually see the rubber meet the road in various communities all over the US. And again i'm using haitians as a great example because they were imported from africa which didn't have a functional socity, to haiti where they worked on farms, and then fucked off to the US centuries later. all without ever having the higher thinking skills necessary to be a part of a functional society.

as for extinction, well the same aryan belief in supporting pandas or other endangered animals also leads them to believe we need to keep every human alive no matter if they're an animalistic abbo or ignorant igbo or common variety coon.

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

“Saar” and “do the needful” are both common phrases used to mock Indians. “Patel” is essentially the Indian version of “Tyrone”.

..... "Patel" is an actor who played Zorro?

(Nah, just joking, I think I get what you mean. I would like to know the origin of "saar" and "do the needful" though, outside of just knowing they're Indian)

 

[Obscenity2022]

"Patel" is an actor who played Zorro?

crazy to think it was a generational role or that zorro has more people with the surname power play him than actual mexicans

 

[Tom Homan's Alien Removals]

Call it a gut hunch but I get the feeling that the archived CSAM on Archive Today is just an excuse.

The main difference between the Internet Archive and Archive Today is that the Internet Archive have more stringed rules when it comes to copyright takedowns, they comply with takedown requests of illegal porn, they take down doxes and other forms of harassment, and they act in good faith enough which is why the feds don't fuck with them.

Archive Today? It's an almost free for all where almost anything goes which means the glowies are going to take a lot of interest in them.

I've heard rumors that the Trump administration is silently telling Youtube to take down anti-Israel videos and channels. Archive Today has plenty of anti-Israel and antisemitic content. So if this is a collaboration between America (CIA) and Israel (Mossad) to take down platforms and then blame it on Russia then I think it may work because normies are going to look at this and say 'Oh, website owner is a child predator so this is a good thing' and not bother to look at the details to see why everything about this is screwy.

If this is the case, I do see other websites that comes to mind that could be raped by the Western feds soon. If you think Western democracies don't violate people's right to free speech, oh yes they can and they fucking will. It's well documented that America violated the First Amendment rights of their citizens during World War 1 and the Vietnam War by the way.

I wonder how this will affect KF and the Sharty's harassment and doxxing campaigns.

 

[Obscenity2022]

slav power is back, he was banned for like a week or more, anyone got any info on that?

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

as for extinction, well the same aryan belief in supporting pandas or other endangered animals also leads them to believe we need to keep every human alive no matter if they're an animalistic abbo or ignorant igbo or common variety coon.

This doesn't make sense for a number of reasons. The first problem is what do you mean by "Aryan?" I assume you basically mean "white" but even if so, any idiot can tell you that an American White, British White, Irish White, White bread, white milkshake, white joycons etc. are not exactly a cultural monolith (which right there shoots holes in the idea that skin color = predetermined behavior but let's move on).

Second problem is there would still have been centuries where these groups had never met white people, and IIRC possibly even a long stretch of time where they were isolated. And yet they're not extinct. Sorry, but saying "we protected them just like we protect pandas" doesn't account for this, unless you're suggesting they were saved by time travellers (maybe even ones with flying blue police boxes)?

your idea that its "mostly true" is completely fucking wrong once you actually see the rubber meet the road in various communities all over the US.

Notice the part I bolded there.

This argument reminds me of a trick gun control advocates like to use, where they try to prove gun control works by showing crime statistics that only account for gun-related violence but conveniently leave out all other types of crime. Or in your case, you're focusing exclusively on the US (and on the parts that have high crime rates) and trying to say this somehow proves biological predeterminism.

You yourself pointed out that there's practically no law enforcement in these communities. That makes me see this as a chicken-or-egg scenario. It's entirely possible that these places have high crime precisely because enforcement is so lax, rather than "they realized it was pointless and stopped trying."

I went to an all-white school (I grew up in the south) and I know from experience that white people aren't angels. Especially when there's lax enforcement or blatant favoritism at play.

 

[Obscenity2022]

. And yet they're not extinct.

its easy to be a tribal, but i wouldn't consider that civilized. imagine saying the abbos and the englishmen who found them were anywhere close to the same level of civilized or that abbos on their own could have accomplished such

It's entirely possible that these places have high crime precisely because enforcement is so lax, rather than "they realized it was pointless and stopped trying."

i mean the entire 20th century history of urban american policing proves that it wasn't just "law enforcement decided to stop trying and therefore crime increased"

Especially when there's lax enforcement or blatant favoritism at play.

like a typical lib, believing favoritism and lax enforcement has nothing to do with pattern recognition and everything to do with just dumb racism.

(I grew up in the south)

and this is a big reason why you see a lot of "tabula rasa" nonsense from southerners. the same way you'll see plenty of people go "global warming doesn't exist" because they live in the north and its still fucking cold there.

beyond that why the fuck would someone who has never interacted with a minority argue with me about their behavior. its like if i argued with you about how Auburn has the worst football team despite me never having seen or watched it in my entire life.

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

like a typical lib, believing favoritism and lax enforcement has nothing to do with pattern recognition and everything to do with just dumb racism.

Already resorting to putting words in my mouth? Or else point out where I said crime is just caused by "dumb racism."

Also assuming I must be a "lib" because I'm not frothing at the mouth. You really do belong on Kiwi Farms. You gonna accuse me of being a troon next?

beyond that why the fuck would someone who has never interacted with a minority argue with me about their behavior

I said I didn't go to school with them. I did not say "I never interacted with a minority."

You wanna talk about pattern recognition? Every time I argue with a white supremacist, they always start putting words in my mouth or completely misreading things.

its easy to be a tribal, but i wouldn't consider that civilized.

Okay then, define "civilized." I'll wait.

imagine saying the abbos and the englishmen who found them were anywhere close to the same level of civilized or that abbos on their own could have accomplished such

Already loosening those goalposts for a potential move. First its "not civilized" then its "not the same level of civilized as Englishmen." In the same paragraph, no less.

Also, you keep ignoring the "time" question. I get the feeling if I don't press that, you'll try to compare a 700bc grass hut village against 1700s London.

i mean the entire 20th century history of urban american policing proves that it wasn't just "law enforcement decided to stop trying and therefore crime increased"

Just gonna re-quote your earlier argument:

you have plenty of places in the US that have virtually stopped traffic enforcement because its apparently a waste of time vs when it was 90%+ white areas, same thing with basics like truancy laws or drug possions laws.

Just thought I'd re-quote this in case you try to memory hole it. You were first to make the argument that law enforcement just gave up, just you're trying to phrase it as "they gave up because they realized these people were natural criminals." All I'm doing is pointing out there's room to read this scenario the other way around.

I haven't even looked into whether anything you've said is even true yet, I'm only working with the scenario you yourself handed out and pointing out the issues with your own narrative.

Prediction: You're going to tell me to do my own research.

EDIT

So to drag this around to this topic's proper place of "look how stupid Kiwi Farms is," this discussion reminded me of this topic from awhile back.

I pointed out, somewhere in that very topic, that this theory makes no sense for the same reason Kender (a race from a D&D setting) make no sense, as 1d6chan explains here. It's very similar to the arguments I've been making above though: basically, if black people really do have the biologically predetermined shortcomings that racists like to claim they do, they should not have survived even five generations (and that is being generous).

You can even test this yourself, in Minecraft (as in, the actual game--not a metaphor for anything): Start a new world, put it on "Hardcore" mode, then play your character as if he really does act like a white supremacist's idea of a black person--anyone you meet you have to kill because you're biologically disposed towards crime, you can't build anything beyond wooden tools or any structure more complex than a mud hut, and any task that would take longer than ten minutes you must give up on.

Tell me how long you last.

 

[Obscenity2022]

you'll try to compare a 700bc grass hut village against 1700s London.

oh darling do you not know when we were making first contact in the late 19th century they still had grass huts? sort of weird to assume those stopped existing when rome was founded. hell last i checked they were still using hutts in those few tribes that aren't in regular contact with the rest of the planet. Shaka Zulu was considered the napoleon of sub saharan africans because he was able to figure out how to get his fellow tribesmen walking in formation. he was about 3 millenia off from when the greeks figured it out but they still gave him a fuck load of credit.

All I'm doing is pointing out there's room to read this scenario the other way around.

there would be if we didn't have interviews and footage and lots of unconscious conclusions pointing to demographic change leading to demotivated policing, such as Miami post-boatlift. or Flint after the plants closed or plenty of other examples that can be attributed to white flight because of demographic change.

its like de-segregation or the bussing movement of the 1970s, like in general every person starts with your thinking, but once they reach the bottom of the glass they end up realizing "we were judging them by their character the entire time" like when you look at school funding and especially inner city funding vs gate funding its rather obvious how there isn't really a cultural issue.

its like gender, despite what many girl power 90s college doctoral thesis' and men that went to all boys schools will tell you, the best women at any sport can still regularly be beaten by any relatively fit male. no matter how many personal anecdotes or bad projections will tell you otherwise, the best women's soccer players or basketball players or hockey players will almost always get beaten by high school athletes. now that doesn't mean women can't play sports like most people instantly go to when arguing because its easier to prove wrong when you go black or white. but obviously their level of sport will never progress above what a bunch of high schoolers would be able to knock out.

going back to race its a similar thing, yeah mud hutts and subsistence farming are a level of civilization but its certainly not where one would hope to peak. Haiti is a great example, when we brought 5% of the population to Ohio, did they eat food like the rest of the people of ohio or did they eat the cats and dogs and act like they did back in Haiti.