Some commentary on the latest MATI:
Source stream:
https://rumble.com/v6vqbz9-mad-at-the-internet-fourth-of-july-2025.html?e9s=src_v1_sa,src_v1_ucp_a
Note: Sorry it's so long but Josh is doing 4 hour streams now. I think my post can be read in 3-4 minutes so it's not so bad when you consider I'm kind of saving you 4 hours and give timestamps in case you want to hear bits for yourself. The timestamps are not completely comprehensive as he talks about things that I don't log and I cherrypick what I want to react to. It might be nice if I could feed his stream into an AI and get a 5 minute summary. But then it won't have my bespoke reaction to it. Hmm...
15 m - Josh Moon says according to Trump's Big Beautiful Bill that superchats are tips and are tax-free and he is going to file all his superchats as such. Someone told him on the Farms that their CPA said they weren't but he asked Grok and Grok said it was ok so he's not going to trust the anime-avatar girl that told him this on the Farms. Bro, if most of your income is superchats, and your job is an internet streamer, the government is not going to just let you opt out of paying taxes bc you want to to squeeze your income into a special category. You are not a waiter in a restaurant receiving tips. Fuck off. If your income is superchats, that means you don't have to pay federal taxes all of a sudden? Nah bro. I'm not a tax expert but I can't imagine them allowing this. Someone is going to report that ass to the IRS.
47 m - Vtuber Saba (Gura) segment. Gaytor is mentioned as coordinating lies about Moon mocking Shondo's mother dying in private discords and DM's. Several different people are pushing this talking point so Moon knows it's coordinated but is a false talking point from Gaytor.
52:30 - Josh addresses the allegations that he groomed minors on Blockland. Uh, he basically doesn't address it and just glosses over it. This is a complete non-answer. Question: Is there some statute of limitations or time period where we let a person go, for things they did in the past that was bad? Moon wants everyone to forget this bc it was 10 years ago. But every thread on his website has info that never goes away and is documented seemingly for eternity. There is no way out of this. Moon holds this info over the "lolcows" heads like blackmail that never goes away but you're suppose to forgive Moon for bad stuff in his past. Lmao. Also, are we going with 10 years as the cutoff point, then the slate is wiped clean? Ok the Zoom pedo scandal is older than 10 years. Surely you will forgive him and delete his thread right? Moon has Zoom's account on the Farms permanently labeled as a liar and a pedophile. Why isn't he offering this charity to Zoom? Gamergate is older than 10 years. It happened in 2014. So is the Farms going to forgive Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian for ruining gaming? Hypocrisy.
>Josh: "I'm going to let people look up whatever phonebooks they want (around Vtubers)."
Ok then don't cry when people dox your KF'ers.
1:04:00 - Josh makes the very bad argument that all lolicon/shotcan is bad bc he found an article where one tranny who collected CSAM of babies, is going to prison for 30 years. And this guy allegedly also had loli on his computer (which he wasn't even charged for). Correlation isn't causation. The guy was also white but no one is saying he's a pedo bc he's white. The guy also drove a car but no one is linking his car usage to his consumption of CSAM. The guy uses a computer but no is saying his computer usages means he's a pedofile. At the end of the day, a drawing is simply lines on a paper. It's not real. No matter how outraged and pearl-clutching you or your Mom gets, when she looks at that drawing. CSAM involves real victims of abuse that are underage and raped, groomed, and drugged by pornographers. You are equating 2 different things. And your problems on this topic come from being autistic and not being able to differentiate fantasy/fiction versus reality.
1:06:30 - Josh also cherry picks some news that one artist that drew a Vtuber model is a pedophile that got convicted. So he wants his audience to denounce all anime, hentai, porn, manga, Vtubers, Japan, etc. based on this one guy that drew a Vtuber model and got after minors.
>"A lot of those lines are drawn by actual pedophiles actually molesting children. And then actually drawing them from actual likeness and then selling them to you so that you can masturbate to them. It's not just lines on a paper. A lot of it is based off real actual child abuse and that's why it's bad."
Citation desperately needed. According to whom? What percentage of hentai drawings are traced from CSAM? Do you have a peer-reviewed study for that? You don't draw or paint. You don't work in hentai animation or the manga doujin industry. Oh? You have no sources or evidence? You're just pulling this out of your ass hoping no one is critical enough to see through your bullshit. The fact that you can cherrypick 1 guy that did this, says
nothing about the overall spectrum of millions of artists drawing stuff. You're using one example to push a narrative onto a broad collective that suits your agenda. In this case, you're trying to use some guy to attack all anime, weebs, and Vtubers.
Graphic violence in movies is referenced based on real life gore. They make their CGI and makeup to look as realistic as possible to horrify you. A movie like
Saving Private Ryan is based on real war violence. Watching this horrific war movie will traumatize you, especially when young. Why aren't you trying to ban this? Why aren't you banning South Park and Family Guy? That trash will fuck a child's mind up. Oh you like South Park, huh? Why not ban rap music, which glorifies degeneracy, sex, drugs, and gang violence? Horror movies with grotesque violence? There are million of examples in media and culture but you're fixated on Vtubers and cartoon porn because Vtubers like Saba are rich and make you seethe with jealousy. Ok, bro.
Using your own logic, I could say all Kiwi Farmers are pedophiles bc Jason Close is a pedophile on your site. And all you guys use that site and are in DMs with each other so you're all pedophiles. 'Nuff said. Do you understand painting a broad group by one or two people is problematic? Josh also makes the fallacious slippery slope argument that you must become a pedophile consuming CSAM if you watch anime or Vtubers. This is pretty damn rich coming from a guy who jerks it to neko shota, so everything he's saying is projection. I mean, if one was bad faith, Josh is basically admitting he's a pedophile here if you know the context of his lore. Also, the guy is a food addict and is morbidly obese for his entire life. He has never had control or discipline. So a person with 0 willpower, we can assume he would not stop himself falling down the slippery slope of porn like neko shotacon into actual CSAM. I mean, this is your own argument bro. You're setting a bomb and then blowing yourself up. Hoisted by your own petard, so to speak.
Even if I were to grant your conclusions to your fallacious arguments, you don't get to be the arbiter of what is allowed to be depicted in art and what is not. The censor is not going to just stop at everything you want banned. And someone who is more radical and puritanical than you is going to ban everything you like. Eventually you'll end up living in a theocracy where you are not allowed to criticize Jesus/Mohammad or Trump or whomever is currently reigning in power or the dominant religion. It's going to creep further into everything. So who among you is arrogant and narcissistic enough to think you can determine what is allowed and be the arbiter of censorship? I realize Josh told DSP that only he is the best person on the planet capable of running and managing Kiwi Farms and censoring things in general. This is laughable as the guy admits he has autistic faceblindness so he struggles to even tell two different people apart but wants to be the world's moderator. He wants to tell entire countries like Japan what they can or can't do. He wants to block entire countries like the UK from accessing his website. He wants to tell governments like New Zealand to fuck off. But if you don't want a thread on yourself stalking you, that's never coming down. The hypocrisy is incredible. Why do we listen to this fat nerd again and pretend like his opinions matter? It's bc he was one of the guys that would cover the sector news and now we're supposed to bow down to his every word, even though he's an overweight male feminist Puritan? Lmao.
Basically, I hate this segment for several reasons. The argument is basically, "Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?" The children already have CSAM laws but this isn't good enough for you faggots. You want more government-overreach and censorship so they government can go into art and censor it as well. It's an endless purity-spiral. And it's disingenuous as none of you freaks care about the children. You're just using it play on our heartstrings to present an argument you think will be emotionally-resonant. I saw how Josh presented arguments he didn't believe in, to try to trick the town of Kandiyohi County to attempt to get the bodycam footage of Rekieta's house and family. He's doing something similar here. "What you don't wanna protect the kids? You must be a pedophile." No, I want you faggots to get the hell out of my stuff and stop advocating for things that you are going to regret later when it's too late. I see a bunch of idiots in the KF MATI livechat getting whipped up into a moralfag witchunt with your pitchforks out and fire torches lit. And it only ends with you getting buttfucked by the government as they slap handcuffs on you and strip away more of your freedoms. See 9/11 and the increased security and abuse of power from the Patriot Act as one example. Don't get me wrong. I hate the Vtubers as much as anyone. But I hate the morafaggotry the KF'ers are using to attack it. Josh admitted on this stream he has sour grapes mentality about it. That Saba is a millionaire from being a pedophile Vtuber and catering to pedophiles in her audience. That Josh is fuming that the free market has rewarded her with wild wealth from being a pedophile. But the polar opposite is someone like Gator, who simps for all Vtubers and worships every breath his oshi spits out and I despise these simp-faggots as well. So the position on Vtubers is stuck in between these 2 polar opposite camps of faggots. Simp-weeb-pedos like Gator that worship these ghastly ugly Vtubers jerking around the screen with bad animation while brainwashed by a gf-simulator. And lame sour-grape pedos like Josh Moon in the other camp surrounded by his army of feminist, witch-hunter neopuritans.
@1:12:30 - Segment where Josh takes credit for what one user wrote on his website that happens to bring him good publicity when SomeOrdinaryGamers covered it. Holy shit, Josh is such a slimeball in this way. It's Schrodinger's PR for the Farms. When something bad happens that is linked to the farms such as a KF'er is outed as a pedophile, Josh is nowhere to be seen and won't take credit for it. Or when KF is linked to tranny suicides, Josh is nowhere to be seen such as Byuu for instance (and even works hard to cover it up). When someone gives good PR such as this thread exposing Roblox pedophiles, Josh is there to take full credit despite not doing anything related to the post, or any of the detective work, or the video boosting it.
1:13:25 - Josh admits he has seen horrendous stuff in his time. Which I assume means animal torture porn and CSAM.
>"My experiences have exposed me to a lot of shit. Yeah I know stuff. I moderated 8chan. I ran an imageboard."
He also projects when he says being exposed to porn as a boy still fucks you up 17 years later as an adult. I mean, I don't disagree with the statement but you're the wrong person to give this message. Bro, we already know you are fucked up. Just stop talking. You're incriminating yourself to anyone that knows your lore. Jesus Christ dude. You can't also have your cake and eat it too. If you are all up into this CSAM stuff and animal crush porn and then people question why are you involved in this nasty immoral stuff, then you can't be shocked people flip the script on you. This is your own standard applied to you. You were so deep into the CSAM on imageboards that you were writing software to allegedly tag and filter it. And you ran a text-only board for pedos.
1:23:30 - Josh admits that without Hardin working for free (x to doubt) the Kiwi Farms would have been crushed by lawsuits so Rekieta saved the Farms. He finds it unfortunate that Rekieta melted down since Hardin came from his Rekieta connection.
1:32:00 - Josh ordered some Massachusetts goat cheese and made a video on Locals. He wrote the cheese purchase off as a business expense.
1:38:30 - BossManJack segment. I don't really care about BMJ. It seems a lot of Kiwis including Josh just use this guy as classic lolcow to make themselves feel better about their own squalid lives. I'm not saying this isn't something one can't do to feel good about themselves. But KF seems obsessed with him cause he's a loser gambling addict and drug addict. They've championed him as their personal pet retard they pick on to feel powerful. And they can look at him and think, "Damn, at least I'm not that guy that just lost 50K and wants to kill himself. My problems are not so bad after all. Dumb crackhead. Haha." But watching this segment, I get the distinct feeling that Moon wants to befriend BMJ and take him on his pet retard friend like he did for Chrischan.
1:53:09 - Moon drinks more Old Bay Vodka and yelps like a girl. I would say
he sounds effeminate but he may actually like that if he's trooning out.
1:58:00 - Moon makes a correction about the gnome statue he insisted was a dildo last stream. He's got a Lidl Drip post on screen which has the correction. Hmm. Bro, why does he follow Lidl's every burp and breath? Why are Moon and Lidl Drip like 2 particles that have quantum entanglement within quantum mechanics? As in, they are linked and show the same properties no matter how far away the 2 particles are and get separated from each other? They can probably finish each other's sentences.
3:11:10 - Moon says he wants to be a "skinny-queen." Troon alert. He applauds himself for only having 1 plate of pulled pork with baked beans and not going back for seconds. He thinks being skinny is the only way he can get Congressman to sign his petition and take him seriously as a political activist and player.
3:26:20 - Josh clarifies that he doesn't necessarily believe the Vtuber anime women are pedos. Just that they masturbate pedos for cash.
3:36:00 - A superchatter simp fellates Josh for the Kero furry expose stuff on the Farms. Josh takes credit for it despite not doing anything. Then he gives credit to the several guys ITT that put in hundreds of hours trying to find the animal torturer in Cuba. Josh admits he was trying to deter the guys that located the animal abuser and demoralize them when it was happening at the time.
3:40:00 - Josh admits he blocks tons of people now if they are brown or have anime-avatar profiles. Notice there is no charity or good faith offered to any of these 2 groups. They are assumed guilty, bad by default, or pedos. Josh delights in knowing they will never offer anything that he will have to see on X. I see Janny Josh on Kiwi Farms who is drunk on mod power is not the same shivering, PTSD bitch that is on X with thousands of people blocked that trigger him. Pull him out of his hugbox without his mod powers and he can't take the heat.
3:40:55 - Josh compares Gator to Zoom and their hatred levels toward him. He says Zoom is consistent on hating Josh while Gator flip-flops back and forth between hating and praising Josh. Josh respects Zoom more for his consistent hatred. Josh says Gator will not accomplish anything in his life bc people know they are dealing with a disingenuous person that is telling them what they want to hear. He says Gator is a snake and that Ethan Ralph is better. "Gator is a faggot that jerks off to drawings of kids."
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