Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
Do you feel Vincent taking his default judgment back to court only to concede and admit in a legal document he facilitated defamation (while also paying her an undisclosed sum of money) somehow doesn't bolster LFJ's claim that she was defamed?
No, because 1) I think Vincent is just a happy go lucky DOTA playing kind of guy, not a free speech "psychopath" like Null, so he probably just wanted to get over with the appeal ASAP and would've agreed to anything LFJ demanded just to get it over with. Hell, if LFJ had asked Vincent to poke his stinkditch as part of their agreement he would've likely done that too just to get LFJ off his back. 2) it was still forum shopping and libel tourism that is not re-enforceable in the US. Whatever a foreign court based on their local laws has to say about 1A protected speech on an American forum doesn't matter in the US itself. That's literally what the SPEECH Act is for, to pre-empt the kind of forum-shopping and libel tourism that LFJ engaged in in Australia from being re-enacted in the US. If his KUSK lawyers were worth their salt, they would've warned him that getting a judgement against KF in Australia has irrelevant and wouldn't get him shit at a US court because of the SPEECH Act.

Don't even get me started on LFJ traveling to Australia in the midst of Covid just to create a false residence there to go after Vincent, literally violating the conditions of his visa (which required him to stay there continuously for 24 months) within 14 months of obtaining his first visa. All of this shows a forum shopping and a libel tourism operation, not legitimate residence-seeking.

Did you know that LFJ, who now claims the he totally wants to become an Australian citizen, only registered a business in Australia in 2024, in other words 4 years after arriving there? Why did it take him 4 years to register his business in the country he claims to currently be a permanent resident of? Hint: because he only did it to fool Australian immigration authorities into thinking he is truly serious about obtaining Australian citizenship.

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Did you know that LFJ's SO, Alex, lives in Seattle? Why has Alex not moved to Australia to become an Australian citizen along with LFJ? Or is LFJ planning to fly across the Pacific from Sydney (well, actually Ashfield if we want to get specific) to Seattle every time he wants to "doghair" Alex? Hint: LFJ intends to stay in the US, where Alex still is. He just wants to look like an Australian citizen "on paper", "for (forum shopping) reasons".

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Did you know that LFJ registered a non-profit called End Networked Harassment in 2024 in California of which Alex (BinaryVixen899 in the summary below) is the Director?

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How the fuck is this troon pretending to want to become an Australian citizen, when his primary relationship and all his business dealings and his KUSK lawyers are still in the US?

Answer: this is an attempt to evade US jurisdiction. Because he knows Null's lolsuit might blow the lid on #DropKiwiFarms' cybercrimes, exposing and implicating his co-conspirators.

Mark my words: if I am right with assuming that some of the "infringers" in the subpoenas are British, LFJ will be condo-shopping in London next. He will forum-shop that shit also.
 
Null on MATI mentioned an episode of Blocked and Reported earlier this year that was entirely about LFJ. I found it here but it's behind a paywall, but you can listen to the first 20 minutes of the podcast for free as a preview:

On the first Primo episode of the year, Jesse and Katie discuss the technologist Liz Fong-Jones and her battle against Kiwi Farms. Plus, a consent accident, a very online defamation suit, and an unsolicited email from an old friend.


Here is the Reddit thread about the episode on the Blocked and Reported subreddit:


They also had a thread about the lolsuit:


There are literally 100+ posts in this thread, mostly supportive, but Null still refuses to talk to Jesse and Katie because homo & Dzooish.

Why is it that every time someone starts a thread about Liz Fong Jones that isn't fawing but critical, at least 3 former Google colleagues of LFJ show up to denounce him over all the DEI shit he tried to pull while at Google?

A former Google colleague of LFJ shows up and claims that when he was still at Google, LFJ was himself a fan of anonymity and advocated against the real name policy of Google Plus (a failed Facebook competitor at the time):

[–]onthewingsofangels 66 points 25 days ago

This is so disappointing.

I don't know Fong-Jones, but we overlapped at Google a lifetime ago. She was one of the employees leading the crusade against Google Plus's Real Names policy (remember that failed product?!), emphasizing the importance of anonymity on the Internet. The famous cartoon "on the Internet no one knows you're a dog" was held up as an ideal. Back then she understood that anonymity enabled free speech, and free speech was a key cornerstone of the Internet, and most critical for the most vulnerable.

To see her morphing from the old school tech idealist into this crusader for everything she once railed against is saddening.

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Google employees still remember LFJ's FO&D e-mail when he left with a Golden Parachute:

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This person even goes on to claim that LFJ himself was the one who leaked the Damore memo to the press (Damore was a Google engineer who spoke out against DEI taking over his workplace and was hounded out of Google over it; the "Damore memo" was a memo he had written and circulated internally complaining about DEI at Google. It was leaked to the press and he was fired over it)

BeABetterHumanBeing 13 points 24 days ago*

I'll keep it short, cause I don't want to spend like 40 mins typing it all out:

Damore put together his infamous memo. The gist, if you don't know, was that inside Google, like many big engineering companies, there was a big push to get more women involved, out of the misguided belief that if things aren't 50:50, that's a problem. Damore's memo basically said "look at all this research showing that men and women have different interests; I think this is probably a big factor nobody's considering". This was foolish of him, because even though he's right, everyone can see that the progressives behind this effort aren't amenable to reason, and this is just a third rail.

Damore goes and shops his draft memo around to various corners of the company, soliciting feedback. I was one of the first people who got a chance to read it, and saw several versions. Feedback was what I said above: this isn't going to make people happy, but you are right.

At some point, the company's progressive activist core [1] noticed this, and blew it up, making a big deal within the company. Management noticed, but their policy at that time was to basically ignore it and let it boil over, since the progressives were more or less always making a stink, and it was only a matter of time until something else came along to be the new thing.

Unhappy to see that management wasn't heeding their calls to have Damore publicly flogged, they leaked an earlier draft of the memo to the press (Buzzfeed, if my memory serves correctly). Because this was done in bad faith, they edited the memo first, mostly to remove graphs, citations, and other evidence so as to give the appearance that Damore was simply pulling stuff out of his ass, as opposed to this being carefully research, and evidence-backed.

Now that it was causing a national news cycle [2], management felt they had to do something. So they fired Damore for "causing strife among employees" (or some similar reasoning). Since he didn't leak it, they couldn't use that justification. Of course, the activists who spread the memo from being tentatively shared with a small group to plastering it on every wall? Were they punished? No, of course not.

So how am I so sure it's Fong-Jones? She was either the first or second to try blowing up the memo internally. She was the champion of calling for Damore's head. When the leak was published [3], Buzzfeed included interview commentary from her. Fong-Jones had spoken w/o company permission to the press repeatedly, and there were other leaked documents that also somehow came to be associated with her too [4].

I do sometimes wonder why HR didn't crack down on her. It's possible they sent warnings and she flagrantly ignored them. That said, HR was also the one pushing the 50:50 ratio being a goal-that's-never-explicitly-stated-because-that-would-actually-be-illegal. Having dealt with Google on several sensitive subjects, they were (at that time) very sensitive to be seen trying to shut down any conversations, and for any hot-button debate, they would have a preferred party they would silently root for. In this case, that party was the activists, up until the leak, and then they went and fired Damore to make it look (to the NYT-reading public) like they'd done something. If nobody had leaked it, they would've ignored it.

Okay, this did end up being 40 mins. Ah well.

PS - While typing this out, I thought of one other Fong-Jones anecdote. Somebody put together, presumably for whichever month is supposed to be for women's history, a big stylized posterboard with various notable female employees on it. Fong-Jones was on this list, because it was produced by some progressive sympathetic to the activists. The funny thing is that each person's picture had their name, and their notable accomplishment. Things like inventing new technologies, launching well-known products, and the like. What did Fong-Jones do to justify inclusion? She was labeled "SRE extraordinaire". A site reliability engineer (SRE) is just a job role. Do you really think that she was just so good at her job to deserve accolades from among the company's thousands of SREs? No, she was put there because the list-creator was a progressive who liked her activism, but knew that highlighting her habit of talking to the press w/o permission and causing a fuss internally wasn't something they should be announcing on a poster.

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[1] I call them a "core" because they were organized, had their chat servers outside of the company, and so on. When they'd get on about something or other, they would coordinate things like posting / upvoting questions for the company all-hands, leaving comments and making memes to push the target agenda, and so on. On one delightful occasion, while I was parrying them in the internal listserv, they sent some rando to try distracting me with emails attempting to concern troll me. The funny bit is when I called him out for only being there to attempt to waste my time, he admitted to it. Like yo, if you're going to be a bad-faith actor, you got to commit to the lie!

[2] Google's employee training material tries dissuading people from making brash statements internally, asking menacingly how you would feel if it ended up on the front page of the New York Times. The problem with this strategy was that there were too many employees who would regard this as a badge of honor. I wanted to, but never got around to, suggest to HR that they update the guideline to be "NYT or Breitbart", so that the activists at least would think twice.

[3] For completeness, I will add that a copy of the memo was also leaked to Breitbart. I am 90% sure of who that is, but it's a name nobody would recognize because this individual feared for their career and never gave comments to the press. Why did they do it? Because they wanted a copy with the graphs / citations attached so that the public record would be complete.

[4] There's another story about an AI ethics board, but that's for another time.

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This person claims that when (what they refer to as) the "progressive core" within Google got ahold of the memo, the version they leaked to Buzzfeed had been deceptively edited to "remove graphs, citations and other evidence so as to give the appearance that Damore was simply pulling stuff out of his ass, as opposed to... careful research and evidence backed".

So how am I so sure it's Fong-Jones? She was either the first or second to try blowing up the memo internally. She was the champion of calling for Damore's head. When the leak was published [3], Buzzfeed included interview commentary from her. Fong-Jones had spoken without company permission to the press repeatedly, and there wer other leaked documents that also somehow came to be associated with her too.[4]

Having now read the Kevin Crawley smear-dossier, I can see why someone would suspect LFJ himself of being behind the deceptive editing of Damore's memo before it was leaked to Buzzfeed. I wrote in my previous post about the Kevin Crawley smear-dossier that I do not believe Kathryn the paralegal of KUSK wrote this herself, and I suspect it was mostly or wholely written by LFJ himself, with Kathryn putting her name on it so as to avoid making LFJ look like an obsessed cyberstalker keeping track of every person he has ever interacted with or given out a professional recommendation to, which LFJ apparently sees as some kind of an ideological bloodpact that must never be broken.

Another thing I noticed while reading the smear dossier, is that LFJ had cherrpicked posts by Kevin that he had posted on other platforms than KF like Reddit, and had listed these Reddit post with no context in a year-by-year sequence to create a stereotypical narrative of "online radicalization", trying to make it seem like Kevin had become increasingly extremist in his politics, year by year, only to end up on the final boss of hate-sites, KiwiFarms, calling for LFJ to be deplatformed at conferences. I immediately recognized this sequence of posts in the smear-dossier as creating a narrative that would appeal to any TRA allied reader (because they all believe in online radicalization narratives and people just being the powerless meatpuppets of algorithms, this is how little agency they'll grant anyone because they want them to be stupid and manipulable). I can definitely see how someone who resorts to this kind of deceptive cut-and-paste work in a smear-dossier, would also straight up gut an internal Google memo of its factual basis by stripping it of "graphs and citations" before leaking it to the press. I obviously have no idea whether LFJ was the one who leaked the Damore memo to Buzzfeed, but I can see why this Redditor would assume LFJ did it.

Heh, no wonder LFJ is so paranoid about people in Big Tech using KiwiFarms and other plaforms like Hacker News to speak out against him. LFJ obviously doesn't want to be known as a leaker of internal memos at Google. He wants to be known as the ever diligent watchman who catches human "breaches".

As Kevin Crawley himself pointed out with his "boiling frogs" remark that was screenshot in the KUSK smear-dossier, LFJ has made a lot of ideological enemies in Big Tech who have to lay low due to DEI censorship in their workplaces, but the moment they get a platform to express their opposition to LFJ specifically, all the stories about him come pouring out. All these people need is a chance to let it all out.

LFJ obviously knows these stories exist and are circulating about him behind his back, he just wants to make everyone is too scared to say these things out loud. Things like the Kevin Crawley smear-dossier is how he keeps them all in check.

BTW, I would not be surprised if LFJ has already sent subpoenas to Reddit trying to unmask these ex-Google colleagues speaking out against him in the /r/BlockedAndReported threads. He and and his TRA handmaiden Kathryn at KUSK have probably already traced these redditors back to their respective KiwiFarms accounts or some shit.
 
So i read this document in full and i disagree with the characterization of it as a "smear dossier" given nothing in the document seems false. All 27 pages are dedicated to proving Kevin Crawley's identity as Mailfrawd and displaying his own beliefs in his own stated words. It's essentially a Kiwifarms thread in book/PDF format. In regards to "doxxing kids" (only revealing his first name), which Kiwifarms does, it was done to show further proof that Kevin is Mailfrawd. Mailfrawd posted on Kiwifarms he had a 11 year-old son. Doxing Kevin revealed he also had 11 year-old son. It's perfectly valid evidence. And the notion LFJ can't publish someone's address, which is legal under US law, because they have a family doesn't follow. I'm going to paraphrase something true Josh says: if you get doxed it's your own fault. Kevin flew too close to the sun trying to tar and feather LFJ. It backfired on him heavily. I can only hope he found the Reddit farms karma and "confirmed Kiwileak" title worth it in the end.

It is a smear dossier though. Why did he delete the post where he shared the dossier from his LinkedIn, if it was meant to be as harmless as you are making it out to be? Because he's in a lolsuit now where he's ALLEGEDLY going to be accused of engaging in a fishing expedition with his DMCA subpoenas, and it really doesn't help him to have already doxxed a KiwiFarmer and his family just to get him fired in the past with the help of his current lawyers. Especially after pinky-promising to only use any DMCAed Kiwi doxx for the sake his copyrights (which we all know is bullshit, but that's what he promised in his Declarations). Also, why did he have the KUSK paralegal put her name on the smear dossier, when it's obvious to anyone familiar with his #DropKiwiFarms antics that this was mostly if not wholly his work? Because it makes him look like an obsessed cyberstalker of anyone he's ever interacted with at conferences. He thinks that making it look like "the paralegal did it!" somehow distracts from his own paranoid obsessives that drives him to do something like this to someone.

The point of the smear-dossier wasn't just to say "Look, this guy Kevin Crawley at Meta is a closeted KiwiFamer who has shitty, (but perfectly mainline conservative) views, he posted a personal army request on KF saying that an ALLEGEDLY rapey troon should be deplatformed at tech conferences so that he copes, seethes and sudokus about it", the purpose of the dossier rather was to argue that Kevin is imminently dangerous and poses direct threat to people at his own workplace, not just to LFJ himself but to literally anyone at Meta, just because he was calling for LFJ to be deplatformed on KF - which Kevin did only because he apparently believed the "dog hair on the shirt" story was a veiled reference to rape, as a lot of people on and off KF presently suspect it to be. According to LFJ's bizarre unreasoning, everyone who interpreted his Twitter thread as a veiled reference to rape is now a threat to anyone they work with on a daily basis, just because they have a negative opinion of LFJ himself.

In the Bsky thread, where LFJ bragged about getting Kevin fired at Meta (while threatening to doxx more people in tech with KF accounts: "this is not the only positive ID we have on tech employees who use KF"), LFJ specifically referred to Kevin as a "human breach" and a "CVE" (common vulnerabilities and exposures), which is truly ridiculous weaponization of cybersec speech to make someone sound like a danger to their workplace.

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Accusing Kevin himself of being "a breach" (a term used for systems, not people), or of posing a danger to people at Meta, or of posting a threat to LFJ himself at tech conferences, that was all false and disingenuous. LFJ knew, based on the very posts LFJ and Kathryn quoted in the dossier, that Kevin no longer attended tech conferences and no longer even worked in the same DevOps field as LFJ.
 
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