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Null 🥝 Joshua Moon Megathread

Joshua Moon the owner of Kiwifarms
Hadrada said:
It's a bit odd from what i remember Josh used to claim that the kiwi farms has around 10k active users. Which would mean that each user has had to send in around 20 dollars each. Usually with these types of fundraisers a lot of the money comes in from 3rd parties promoting it like youtubers or twitter people who want to support a good cause but the only promotion this fundraiser has seen is one thread on a dying forum.

So lets say 50% of his userbase donated which is more reasonable but that would still mean that they donated 40 bucks each.
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Why does it surprise you that he's managed to raise so much money? And is still getting money donated to him up to now?

You really do not understand how KF interacts with other, more mainstream communities online outside of "the Sektur", if you think his donors were just the people on KF.

The 10k figure (which has never been independently verified or adjusted overtime) doesn't mean that there are 10k unique people who log into KF every single day. Those are just 10k of unique users on that particular day. We don't know how many unique users log into KF in a week or in a month.

If you're going off of the 10k number, and dividing the total of the crowdfunder by that, you are using unreliable numbers for your outcome, because: 1) the crowdfunder isn't the total amount he's received, as he's still receiving checks & money orders (he claims he received 15k the other day) and donations in silver (see below), and 2) he obviously has many many donors outside the Farms, whom you're not including in your calculation.

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Now, as to sources outside of KF, which you're overlooking in your calculation: Null routinely gets up to 20k-30k viers/listeners on MATI (just count his views across platforms, including the ones on the Youtube archives), and he has himself admitted that most of his MATI listeners aren't Kiwis. He advertised the crowdfunder repeatedly on MATI, so it's likely most of his donors weren't Kiwis but MATI regulars.

As for his big donors, who gave the 4-5 figure sums, it should be pretty obvious those are the big Youtubers who are Sektur-adjacent. Like I wrote here before, there's a whole Drama Channel ecosystem on Youtube that relies on KF for their videos, who need the forum to exist so they have access to new drama content to react to, make documentaries about, etc. Hence why I speculated that big, multi-millionaire Youtubers like Keemstar and Destiny might have donated the 4 or 5 figures to Null's crowdfunder. I can't prove this, of course, but they are the most likely responsible for such big sums. Those big drama channels need KiwiFarms to make content, so it's in their interest that it continues to exist. They might not link to KF as the actual source of receipts, but it's pretty obvious what the "chain of custody" for some juicy new drama is, when some drama first shows up on KF and then later on all the Drama Channels. Null knows this, that's why he's always complaining on MATI about Youtubers who use his forum as a source "not shouting out the Farms".
 
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The Gays From LA said:
Null routinely gets up to 20k-030k viers/listeners on MATI (just count his views across platforms,
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View count =/= total viewers especially outside of youtube because most alt tech sites use heavy view multipliers.
The Gays From LA said:
As for his big donors, who gave the 4-5 figure sums, it should be pretty obvious those are the big Youtubers who are Sektur-adjacent. Like I wrote here before, there's a whole Drama Channel ecosystem on Youtube that relies on KF for their videos, who need the forum to exist so they have access to new drama content to react to, make documentaries about, etc. Hence why I speculated that big, multi-millionaire Youtubers like Keemstar and Destiny might have donated the 4 or 5 figures to Null's crowdfunder.
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Keemstar and Null have issues going back a while and given their vindictive natures I don't see this happening. Destiny's career would be instantly over if it came out he donated to KF so I don't see that happening either.

And frankly KF is looking like boomer territory to a lot of the drama channels these days. A lot of zoomer cow action takes place on tik tok and there are as many cow discords as there are grains of sand on a beach. KF really isn't as important as it used to be which is why Null nuked those DSP mods with YT channels and directly called them "competition".

The lolcow podcast is dying cause it's boogie and wings and those guys are considered old hat at this point. Even King Cobra who is one of the hottest cows at this point has a pretty lackluster thread on KF. The thing is the older user base of KF including Null do not want to keep up on new cows. Consequently the new cows that younger people are interested in aren't making it to KF and in turn less people are going on KF because they've heard it all before.
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Like look at this BMJ who is boring and does the same thing every stream is quickly gaining on cobes despite cobes' thread being almost a decade old. Kiwis as I've said are very possessive and will not talk about a cow no matter how entertaining unless they feel like they "found them".

There is a whole other world out there concerning lolcows that don't even touch KF and that is quickly becoming the main portion of lolcow content. Kiwis are going to be talking about Ralph and Foodie Beauty for years to come and the world is still spinning without them.

Your effort posts are great but you have to stop believing stuff that Null and kiwis say about themselves without thinking critically first cause a lot of it just doesn't make any sense.
 
KampungBoy said:
Like look at this BMJ who is boring and does the same thing every stream is quickly gaining on cobes despite cobes' thread being almost a decade old. Kiwis as I've said are very possessive and will not talk about a cow no matter how entertaining unless they feel like they "found them".
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This is very true, one of the reasons I stopped lurking the other farms was because the really boring feud between Feeder, Rekaka, Dick Vito and some other dude was permeating through every thread. I found the beef boring, and I'm into beef. They've become such a cloistered, impenetrable crew, it's tough to watch.
 
youthful_ shannel said:
This is very true, one of the reasons I stopped lurking the other farms was because the really boring feud between Feeder, Rekaka, Dick Vito and some other dude was permeating through every thread. I found the beef boring, and I'm into beef. They've become such a cloistered, impenetrable crew, it's tough to watch.
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YES. It's unbearable the last 4 years at least have been a holding pattern where Null beefs with some eceleb and then THE ENTIRE FUCKING SITE is just Nulls dick suckers climbing over each other to talk about how much that eceleb sucks.

Nobody has a single interesting take anymore it's all just "He's just like Chris Chan, he looks like Ralph". Nobody makes any fun memes or photoshops anymore its just wall to wall Null dicksucking and seethe. It's fucking unbearable.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1759602186986594527
"Despite this, he cannot endure a fraction of what he tries to dish out. The only thing that brings him joy is getting another little boy on his Discord server to shoot up... a school, only to get cucked by a couch"
MASSIVE effort post from the broom. Cuz he's totally not obsessing over Kerfuffels. And him doing the same shit (collecting money under false pretenses) is NOT evidence of that. That's right out!
 
Nektar Geist said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1759602186986594527
"Despite this, he cannot endure a fraction of what he tries to dish out. The only thing that brings him joy is getting another little boy on his Discord server to shoot up... a school, only to get cucked by a couch"
MASSIVE effort post from the broom. Cuz he's totally not obsessing over Kerfuffels. And him doing the same shit (collecting money under false pretenses) is NOT evidence of that. That's right out!
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Null you have a panic attack every day, who are you trying to kid? You have existential crisis over fucking cheese and delete whole forums over being disagreed with. Just the fact that Keffals was able to take 100k of drugs without overdosing makes his dickless ass tougher than you.
 
Ashley Hutsell Jankowski said:
You're the smartest person here and really the only reason I'm not nuking this forum. What are your bona fides?
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You are unable to or it would have happened already. That might scare ken but he's autistic. Like the gays from la.
 
Fedbuster said:
okay jewsh wannabe
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She has ken shook apparently. Which I admit I find hilarious. He even gave me a temp threadban for doing the same things Ashley did. (She posted tubgirl multiple times and a gunshot suicide picture on people's pages.) Not sure how it's gonna stop me from posting on her page still. He never said no granny tranny either. (Not that I'll quit posting gore and scat like before.) Was thinking of making a post about it in the autism subforum but I really don't give a shit enough to go through the effort.
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The Gays From LA said:
Why does it surprise you that he's managed to raise so much money? And is still getting money donated to him up to now?

You really do not understand how KF interacts with other, more mainstream communities online outside of "the Sektur", if you think his donors were just the people on KF.

As for his big donors, who gave the 4-5 figure sums, it should be pretty obvious those are the big Youtubers who are Sektur-adjacent. Like I wrote here before, there's a whole Drama Channel ecosystem on Youtube that relies on KF for their videos, who need the forum to exist so they have access to new drama content to react to, make documentaries about, etc. Hence why I speculated that big, multi-millionaire Youtubers like Keemstar and Destiny might have donated the 4 or 5 figures to Null's crowdfunder. I can't prove this, of course, but they are the most likely responsible for such big sums. Those big drama channels need KiwiFarms to make content, so it's in their interest that it continues to exist. They might not link to KF as the actual source of receipts, but it's pretty obvious what the "chain of custody" for some juicy new drama is, when some drama first shows up on KF and then later on all the Drama Channels. Null knows this, that's why he's always complaining on MATI about Youtubers who use his forum as a source "not shouting out the Farms".
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Well there in lies the problem. I think you are a bit kiwibrained. Kiwifarms hasn't been the focal point for drama for a very long time. The drama that gets the most clicks and money these days happen on tiktok, twitch and twitter and they don't even get posted about on KF. Kiwifarms today is an aggregator for smaller niche dramas and whats worse for these e-celebrities is that it's a memory bank of all of their sins. I think they would rather see it deleted more then anything. Some of the biggest dramacows don't even have a thread on KF like Asmongold.

The examples you gave are strange. Dramaalert hasn't been a thing for a year and while it was active it mostly covered big name youtubers like KSI who has an enormous internet presence. Destiny mostly covers politics and the drama he does cover is very twitch-centric like Hassan and most of that stuff comes from subreddits like livestream fails. None of these people need kiwifarms beyond digging up dirt on their enemies.

Whats worse for the farms is that even if these people were sympathetic and wished to fight for internet freedums or whatever, Josh has chased away any possible alliances both e-celebs and companies. He can't get along with the big fish cause of his ego meanwhile his reputation is so toxic that the commentary community rather feature PDFfiles like Mrgirl and Vito then him. Cause at this point they are less of a danger to their brands and less volatile. Josh might randomly wake up one day and decide that he hates you or your company for no particular reason other then you picked a hobby he doesn't like or cause you made a joke on twitter and then boom: You have a thread up with your adress, pictures of your family, place of employment and a thousand spergs documenting your every move just waiting to get you fired. That is the reality of dealing with Josh and why nobody wants to associate with him.

It's also why I find it unrealsitc that anyone outside the kiwisphere would dump thousands of dollars in to his warchest there isn't anyone beyond Turkeytom that he hasn't burnt the bridge with.
 
Hadrada said:
Well there in lies the problem. I think you are a bit kiwibrained. Kiwifarms hasn't been the focal point for drama for a very long time. The drama that gets the most clicks and money these days happen on tiktok, twitch and twitter and they don't even get posted about on KF. Kiwifarms today is an aggregator for smaller niche dramas and whats worse for these e-celebrities is that it's a memory bank of all of their sins. I think they would rather see it deleted more then anything. Some of the biggest dramacows don't even have a thread on KF like Asmongold.

The examples you gave are strange. Dramaalert hasn't been a thing for a year and while it was active it mostly covered big name youtubers like KSI who has an enormous internet presence. Destiny mostly covers politics and the drama he does cover is very twitch-centric like Hassan and most of that stuff comes from subreddits like livestream fails. None of these people need kiwifarms beyond digging up dirt on their enemies.

Whats worse for the farms is that even if these people were sympathetic and wished to fight for internet freedums or whatever, Josh has chased away any possible alliances both e-celebs and companies. He can't get along with the big fish cause of his ego meanwhile his reputation is so toxic that the commentary community rather feature PDFfiles like Mrgirl and Vito then him. Cause at this point they are less of a danger to their brands and less volatile. Josh might randomly wake up one day and decide that he hates you or your company for no particular reason other then you picked a hobby he doesn't like or cause you made a joke on twitter and then boom: You have a thread up with your adress, pictures of your family, place of employment and a thousand spergs documenting your every move just waiting to get you fired. That is the reality of dealing with Josh and why nobody wants to associate with him.

It's also why I find it unrealsitc that anyone outside the kiwisphere would dump thousands of dollars in to his warchest there isn't anyone beyond Turkeytom that he hasn't burnt the bridge with.
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And in hindsight at the end of the day Josh only has his site to really rely on
 
KampungBoy said:
Destiny's career would be instantly over if it came out he donated to KF so I don't see that happening either.
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I'm neutral towards Destiny, so don't think this is me dick-riding him but it won't.
He's loosely defended Vaush before, he hanged out with Mr. Girl, and he literally surrounds himself with BPD women and none of which affects him.

He literally says this about loli.
He literally repeats this point of apathy repeatedly too, even in Turkey Tom's conversation between him and Josh.
And even recently with the Vaush shit he said if Vaush was a better person he'd be in the trenches.
He's still fine.
He also said in the interview between him and josh he donated to KF because he was spiteful towards Keffals and that he found it objectively wrong that someone could censor a completely legal (lol) website despite him feeling that these kind of sites aren't healthy towards anyone.

Look e-celebs are full of themselves.
You got...
Mutahar: I watch cartel gore and talk about degenerate shit
Mutahar: I watched a literal hentai called HIGHSCHOOL DROPOUT about SEX SLAVERY
Mutahar: "There's not much to say."
Mutahar: I've wrongfully slandered multiple people of sex abuse. (Mamamax drama, Projared drama)
Mutahar: I HANG OUT WITH FUCKING NUXTAKU
And since this now relevant.
WillyMacShow: I think it's fine for kids to take bootleg hormones.

My point is you're making one mistake: You think these people have principles, and they don't. Nothing would happen to Destiny because Destiny doesn't make enemies like Vaush did.
 
Hadrada said:
Well there in lies the problem. I think you are a bit kiwibrained. Kiwifarms hasn't been the focal point for drama for a very long time. The drama that gets the most clicks and money these days happen on tiktok, twitch and twitter and they don't even get posted about on KF.
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I would like to add that when it does get posted they are always late to the party. Even YouTube is faster and is a better source for the latest drama. It's also easier than sifting through a bunch of posts that don't add any value or new information on kf just to find anything useful.
 
BurnerAccount333 said:
I'm neutral towards Destiny, so don't think this is me dick-riding him but it won't.
He's loosely defended Vaush before, he hanged out with Mr. Girl, and he literally surrounds himself with BPD women and none of which affects him.

He literally says this about loli.
He literally repeats this point of apathy repeatedly too, even in Turkey Tom's conversation between him and Josh.
And even recently with the Vaush shit he said if Vaush was a better person he'd be in the trenches.
He's still fine.
He also said in the interview between him and josh he donated to KF because he was spiteful towards Keffals and that he found it objectively wrong that someone could censor a completely legal (lol) website despite him feeling that these kind of sites aren't healthy towards anyone.

Look e-celebs are full of themselves.
You got...
Mutahar: I watch cartel gore and talk about degenerate shit
Mutahar: I watched a literal hentai called HIGHSCHOOL DROPOUT about SEX SLAVERY
Mutahar: "There's not much to say."
Mutahar: I've wrongfully slandered multiple people of sex abuse. (Mamamax drama, Projared drama)
Mutahar: I HANG OUT WITH FUCKING NUXTAKU
And since this now relevant.
WillyMacShow: I think it's fine for kids to take bootleg hormones.

My point is you're making one mistake: You think these people have principles, and they don't. Nothing would happen to Destiny because Destiny doesn't make enemies like Vaush did.
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Their user base also simps hard for their content creator daddies and mommies. His most staunch supporters would probably defend him even if a leaked video came out of him fucking puppies and kittens to death. The audience is usually just as deranged as the influencer, as seen with some of vaush's dickriders still defending him.
 
Hadrada said:
It's also why I find it unrealsitc that anyone outside the kiwisphere would dump thousands of dollars in to his warchest there isn't anyone beyond Turkeytom that he hasn't burnt the bridge with.
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While the broom has (for the time being) a slush fund from the Kwiffar (most of which is coming from disability or student loans), joshy did post something about his opinion on posts about Russia/Ukraine (plus the Navalny "position") that made me wonder...

This may sound a bit tin foil, but bare with me here... joshy's positions on the aforementioned topics... is sus. He already lied about a connection to Russia (all of the MATI piggies handing their dox over to the glowskis arc), it's not too much to think that some people "with an agenda, and a black bag budget" could throw a few shekels to the broom, joshy already has history of sweeping for people paying him.

I'm reminded of a story about Hitler. He's at dinner talking to someone about the rise of the Nazis. He talks about getting the Media on board, how they paid them off. Hitler then starts laughing, so much so, someone asks him what is so funny, Hitler relies "You don't understand how CHEAPLY THEY WERE bought, and neither do they".

I mean, how do you get to be involved in a project where you collect CASM? What kind of people you got to know? And joshy is a bit of patsy.
 
Nektar Geist said:
While the broom has (for the time being) a slush fund from the Kwiffar (most of which is coming from disability or student loans), joshy did post something about his opinion on posts about Russia/Ukraine (plus the Navalny "position") that made me wonder...

This may sound a bit tin foil, but bare with me here... joshy's positions on the aforementioned topics... is sus. He already lied about a connection to Russia (all of the MATI piggies handing their dox over to the glowskis arc), it's not too much to think that some people "with an agenda, and a black bag budget" could throw a few shekels to the broom, joshy already has history of sweeping for people paying him.

I'm reminded of a story about Hitler. He's at dinner talking to someone about the rise of the Nazis. He talks about getting the Media on board, how they paid them off. Hitler then starts laughing, so much so, someone asks him what is so funny, Hitler relies "You don't understand how CHEAPLY THEY WERE bought, and neither do they".

I mean, how do you get to be involved in a project where you collect CASM? What kind of people you got to know? And joshy is a bit of patsy.
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This isn't even that tinfoil hat in all honesty. There could very well be glowies from any government who's job is to donate to causes with self interest. This is obviously to make it appear grassroots. It's subversion 101. Textbook gay ops.
 
 
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