Joshua Conner Moon - Kiwi Farms Joshua Moon Megathread

[Life is ruff]

The countries are:
Czechia
Estonia
Finland
Ireland
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Russia

ok of these countries which would you pick to live in

Poland seems OK.

 

[kayne_krazy]

I wonder where he's looking to naturalize. Very, very few countries actually make that even close to an easy process. He will absolutely have to learn the local language.

There's literally people in the Articles & Happening's site posting "news articles" from Neo-Nazi, Fascist and other technically illegal sources for the EU. I was reading a news article on the site that legit linked to David Duke's website as a source. Does Josh realize that he would have to moderate the extremists on his website if he moved to almost any place in the EU or end up having the website seized for "Nazi propaganda"?

 

[SIGSEGV]

The countries are:
Czechia
Estonia
Finland
Ireland
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Russia

ok of these countries which would you pick to live in

 

[Noghoul]

The countries are:
Czechia
Estonia
Finland
Ireland
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Russia

ok of these countries which would you pick to live in

Netherlands or Finland.

 

[Syrup]

he should move to scotland so we can have sex

 

[Admonisher12]

The countries are:
Czechia
Estonia
Finland
Ireland
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Russia

ok of these countries which would you pick to live in

Live and host in.

America. S230 means that I'm not responsible for what my users do, and my server legally isn't hate speech (even though I like to rant about the Jews letting all the Spics 'n' Niggers in to outbreed the glorious white race while chemically castrating all the men with hormones :( :( :( )

Of the others, I think Russia, Estonia and Czechia give him the near-immunity he's looking for. This is bizarre and I thought he had everything here under control

 

[Noghoul]

he should move to scotland so we can have sex

Moving to Scotland would mean that he'd be near (((anglos)))

 

[kayne_krazy]

Live and host in.

America. S230 means that I'm not responsible for what my users do, and my server legally isn't hate speech (even though I like to rant about the Jews letting all the Spics 'n' Niggers in to outbreed the glorious white race while chemically castrating all the men with hormones :( :( :( )

Of the others, I think Russia, Estonia and Czechia give him the near-immunity he's looking for. This is bizarre and I thought he had everything here under control

Not even.

Czech Law:

• denigration of a nation, race, ethnic or other group of people (Article 355 of the Criminal Code),[101] i.e. hate speech,
• inciting of hatred towards a group of people or inciting limitation of their civil rights (Article 356 of the Criminal Code),[102]
• spreading of scaremongering information (Article 357 of the Criminal Code),[103] e.g. fake bomb alerts,
• public incitement of perpetration of a crime (Article 364 of the Criminal Code),[104]
• public approval of a felony crime (Article 365 of the Criminal Code),[105]
• public display of sympathy towards a movement oriented at curbing rights of the people (Article 404 of the Criminal Code),[106] e.g. propagation of hate-groups,
• public denial, questioning, endorsement or vindication of genocide (Article 405 of the Criminal Code),[107] e.g. Auschwitz lie,

He would be thrown in jail and/or deported if he allowed something in the vein of the Christ Church shooting streams to stay up, if he ever moved there in the future.


Russia Law:

The 2002 Federal Law on Counteracting Extremist Activity codifies a definition of "extremism", prohibits advocacy of extreme political positions, imposes liability on organizations that do not disavow the "extremist" statements of their members, and allows government authorities to suspend, without court order, social and religious organizations and political parties.[188] In 2014, Russia strengthened criminal responsibility for crimes under Art. 280 ("public calls for extremist activity"), Art. 282 ("inciting hatred or hostility, and humiliation of human dignity"), Art. 282 Part 1 ("the organization of an extremist community") and Art. 282 Part 2 ("the organization of an extremist organization") of the Criminal Code.[189] Under the strengthened laws, those convicted of "extremist activity" face up to six years in prison.[190]

Neo-Nazi's posting shit on his forum would make him a target unless he has VERY deep pockets or becomes a Russian intelligence asset. Russia's 2004 hate speech law is probably harsher than UK's hate speech law in regards to promotion of Nazism - I'm not calling Josh a Neo-nazi, but it takes a few speds to post /pol/ stuff and get Josh wrangled in some shit.

Law Against Rehabilitation of Nazism​

The law introduced Article 354.1 to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, making it a criminal offense "to deny facts recognized by the international military tribunal that judged and punished the major war criminals of the European Axis countries [this refers to the Nuremberg trials], to approve of the crimes this tribunal judged, and to spread intentionally false information about the Soviet Union’s activities during World War II" as well as "the spreading of information on military and memorial commemorative dates related to Russia’s defense that is clearly disrespectful of society, and to publicly desecrate symbols of Russia’s military glory".[2]

The penalty incurred for violating this law is a fine of up to 500,000 rubles (about USD$8,200 as of April 19, 2018) or a prison terms of up to five years, with a ban from certain posts and professions for another three years, and/or up to one year of community service.[3]

Estonia:

Estonia is the only EU state not to technically have hate speech laws, but it's cyber data retention laws are NSA tier. Here's a decent article linking the fact that Estonian officials have access to most cyber data with a snap of their finger:

Estonia’s version of the data protection laws are a privacy nightmare: any government agency with an investigative function, from tax authorities to environmental protection officers, have access to the retained data. Also, a direct access system is used by the authorities to access the mobile operators’ networks, which means that even the internet companies themselves have to rely on the state authorities for statistics.

It's going to be fun seeing Null get GPDR fines for not taking down requested posts of lolcows, because technically the lolcow owns the property of the post in the EU.

 

[Witthel 2.0]

Not even.

Czech Law:



He would be thrown in jail and/or deported if he allowed something in the vein of the Christ Church shooting streams to stay up, if he ever moved there in the future.


Russia Law:



Neo-Nazi's posting shit on his forum would make him a target unless he has VERY deep pockets or becomes a Russian intelligence asset. Russia's 2004 hate speech law is probably harsher than UK's hate speech law in regards to promotion of Nazism - I'm not calling Josh a Neo-nazi, but it takes a few speds to post /pol/ stuff and get Josh wrangled in some shit.

Law Against Rehabilitation of Nazism​

Estonia:

Estonia is the only EU state not to technically have hate speech laws, but it's cyber data retention laws are NSA tier. Here's a decent article linking the fact that Estonian officials have access to most cyber data with a snap of their finger:






It's going to be fun seeing Null get GPDR fines for not taking down requested posts of lolcows, because technically the lolcow owns the property of the post in the EU.

So Null's basically fucked when it comes to finding places in Europe to run his little cyberbullying forum.

 

[Noghoul]

Based lolcows financially removing Null for violating their property rights and the NAP.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

So Null's basically fucked when it comes to finding places in Europe to run his little cyberbullying forum.

Because of particularly GDPR's 'Right to be forgotten' -- Yes. Seems like becoming a Russian or Chinese state asset or finding a niche in some country completely overlooked are his only realistic options here.

 

[Noghoul]

This may be a dumb question to make but: why doesn't he simply go back to the US?

 

[kayne_krazy]

So Null's basically fucked when it comes to finding places in Europe to run his little cyberbullying forum.

The GDPR is literally the type of law that Null hates with a passion. I'll post a real close hypothetical, assume Kiwifarms server and Null moved to the EU:

Lolcow A posts a thread about some broad he hates, because she didn't want to have sexy time. Kiwifarms' users start to laugh at Lolcow A for being an idiotic spastic. Lolcow A gets super mad about the thread and demands through the GDPR the right to be forgotten. Null has two options at this junction:

1. Laugh at Lolcow A and do nothing like he is still based in the USA.
2. Delete Lolcow A username, remove all personally identifying information of user including all the quoted replies with his username. This includes the usual doxxing information posted.

If Null does #1 he's open to jail time and obnoxiously large fines from the EU. If he does #2, it hurts Null's ego and probably the website as more moderation will be needed.
Josh could technically say his forum is a historical research place, but the EU would just drag him to court for that. Null's lawyer expenses would go up tremendously. There's a reason 4-5 years back, a lot of BIG American websites pretty much gave up on having EU visitors. The LA times has even blocked EU people from their websites due to it.

 

[nil]

So Null's basically fucked when it comes to finding places in Europe to run his little cyberbullying forum.

Eventually — probably yes. The obscurity of the forum could help him hide for a while, but given enough time and issues cropping up, the long arm of EU (and US) law and the financial system will catch up with him. Probably going back to SEA is his best option here.

[Null's inquiry] has about 20 questions.

I am willing to compensate people for their time at their hourly rate and I would prefer detailed answers. This is not a favor, I am wanting to pay people for good and thorough information, preferably backed with citations of real cases, statutes, and constitutional provisions. They must have some web presence and be able to verify they are licensed to practice law in their country because I need to outline things which are confidential in order for them to fully understand what I need.

He's not going get an lawyer who can give "citations of real cases, statutes, and constitutional provisions", methinks, but a Lionel Hutz-level lawyer who couldn't even use their word processor's spell checker correctly.

 

[Noghoul]

The GDPR is literally the type of law that Null hates with a passion. I'll post a real close hypothetical, assume Kiwifarms server and Null moved to the EU:

Lolcow A posts a thread about some broad he hates, because she didn't want to have sexy time. Kiwifarms' users start to laugh at Lolcow A for being an idiotic spastic. Lolcow A gets super mad about the thread and demands through the GDPR the right to be forgotten. Null has two options at this junction:

1. Laugh at Lolcow A and do nothing like he is still based in the USA.
2. Delete Lolcow A username, remove all personally identifying information of user including all the quoted replies with his username. This includes the usual doxxing information posted.

If Null does #1 he's open to jail time and obnoxiously large fines from the EU. If he does #2, it hurts Null's ego and probably the website as more moderation will be needed.
Josh could technically say his forum is a historical research place, but the EU would just drag him to court for that. Null's lawyer expenses would go up tremendously. There's a reason 4-5 years back, a lot of BIG American websites pretty much gave up on having EU visitors. The LA times has even blocked EU people from their websites due to it.

Wrong. News agencies and certain websites blocking Europeans has jack shit to do with the right to be forgotten law.
It has to with the EU's antitracking and privacy laws, Europeans have to expresively give consent to be tracked by websites, but as a protest, news agencies blocked the access from Europeans, as they claim they don't make the money back through revenue.
Recently Facebook did the same to Australia, funnily enough, this time was to defend journos' source of revenue not to "attack" their source of revenue.

It's extremely hypocritical for people like Josh to hate "big tech" and love "alt-tech" while attacking stuff like EU's antitracking laws.
EU's laws about data are common practice for everything from research to marketing campaings, but somehow the internet is different? Don't make me laugh.

 

[kayne_krazy]

Wrong. News agencies and certain websites blocking Europeans has jack shit to do with the right to be forgotten law.
It has to with the EU's antitracking and privacy laws, Europeans have to expresively give consent to be tracked by websites, as a protest, news agencies blocked the access from Europeans, as they claim they don't make the money back through revenue.
Recently Facebook did the same to Australia, funnily enough, this time was to defend journos' source of revenue not to "attack" their source of revenue.

Why are you so adversarial? The GDPR is more than right-to-be-forgotten. It's a whole suite of laws, and I just cited the one that Null would probably run afoul with in my estimation.

 

[Noghoul]

The right-to-be-forgotten was already in place before the laws you mentioned.
The GDPR is from late 2016.
The right-to-be-forgotten is from 2013/2014.
Edit: I searched it and well aparently the GDPR was being redacted as early as 2012, made public in 2016 and implemented in 2018, but the right-to-be-forgotten, before its inclusion in article 17, was already loosely enforced as early as in 2013, so the point remains.

Why are you so adversarial?

Why not?

 

[kayne_krazy]

The right-to-be-forgotten was already in place before the laws you mentioned.
The GDPR is from late 2016.
The right-to-be-forgotten is from 2013/2014.

Why not?

I was referring to article 17 in the GDPR. I sense some sexual tension with you, but unlike certain people... I will not write a fapfiction about you and spread it around the local homeless population.

 

[Noghoul]

I was referring to article 17 in the GDPR. I sense some sexual tension with you, but unlike certain people... I will not write a fapfiction about you and spread it around the local homeless population.

>tfw he will never a fapfiction about me and spread it around the local homeless population

?

 

[nil]

Because of particularly GDPR's 'Right to be forgotten' -- Yes. Seems like becoming a Russian or Chinese state asset or finding a niche in some country completely overlooked are his only realistic options here.

Wait, he already isn't a state asset?

More seriously, giving how predominate Trumpists/American nationalists have become on A&N, I doubt he could take a more pro-Chinese line without aggravating and alienating them.

This may be a dumb question to make but: why doesn't he simply go back to the US?

1. Returning to the States would an admission that his years abroad have been, on the whole, a failure.
2. Even with the USA's great size, there's a non-zero chance that he will meet old friends and family who he wishes to avoid forever.
3. He could have outstanding legal and financial problem waiting for him.
4. America is full of NIGGERS who talk and chew too loudly on the bus.