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Null and Kiwifarms are so desperate to turn the lolicon debate into Gamergate 2.0. "We want to save the kids from porn" is the new "we want ethics in video game journalism".

“We want ethics in anime pornography”

 

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Jokes aside though, here’s the deal. Here’s my honest opinion.

I obviously do not like loli and I feel it’s pedophilic. Not “send to jail immediately” pedophilic but “I’m not comfortable being around you” pedophilic. Jack said it best, “pedo-lite”. You get off to the idea of children but not real children, just your weird fantasy definition. I remember I saw this one pop-fur talk about his opinions on feral porn and it’s essentially my opinions on loli so I’ll sum them up using his words and substituting words where I need to
“I’m not going to say a [lolicon] is on par with a [full blown pedophile], chances are I’m just going to call their interests gross or cringe and move on. It’s more so a thing where if we were walking on the street, I’d cross the road, rather than scream at you to go die in a ditch. My stance has shifted to, avoiding and blocking [lolicons] and hoping [full blown pedophiles] get what they deserve.”
That being said… I don’t *care about this shit. At the end of the day, it’s a fake minor in fake porn having fake sex, like I said, your weird fantasy definition. Especially since 99% of the time these “lolis” KF’ers complain about barely even look like children. If a crime isn’t being committed, I don’t *care. And I don’t believe it’s worth any sort of gamergate esc crusade because it’s all fucking fake.
* I care insofar as I think its gross and I don’t like you and I don’t want to be near you, I certainly do not care enough to make a thread on you however.

Like Sneeder said, gaming journalism was affecting real life. This isn’t. Back in my day we just avoided lolicons and they were shunned to their corner of the internet where we mutually agreed not to bother eachother. Now we’re busting down their doors and trying to get in their business, so what’s happened? They’re breaching other places. You can’t even blame them, war is war.
And I’m going to say something very controversial, the internet does not need to be cleaned up. The internet dosent need jannies. The internet is where you go to post whatever the fuck you want and if someone posts something you don’t like you just avoid them. And if they commit a real life crime you report them. These gay little investigative teams are stupid and you’re not anyone’s mom and you need to stop trying to parent strangers on the internet, telling them what they can and can’t post and what they can and can’t jerk off to or else you doxx them. It’s fucking stupid, you’re not the president of the internet.

I’m struggling to find the right words to describe what I mean, but TlDr; Kiwifarm’s crusade against loli is retarded and I don’t care for “exposing” these guys or whatever. Laughing at them, sure, but this isn’t laughing. It’s whining.

 

[Tom Homan's Alien Removals]

Jokes aside though, here’s the deal. Here’s my honest opinion.

I obviously do not like loli and I feel it’s pedophilic. Not “send to jail immediately” pedophilic but “I’m not comfortable being around you” pedophilic. Jack said it best, “pedo-lite”. You get off to the idea of children but not real children, just your weird fantasy definition. I remember I saw this one pop-fur talk about his opinions on feral porn and it’s essentially my opinions on loli so I’ll sum them up using his words and substituting words where I need to
“I’m not going to say a [lolicon] is on par with a [full blown pedophile], chances are I’m just going to call their interests gross or cringe and move on. It’s more so a thing where if we were walking on the street, I’d cross the road, rather than scream at you to go die in a ditch. My stance has shifted to, avoiding and blocking [lolicons] and hoping [full blown pedophiles] get what they deserve.”
That being said… I don’t *care about this shit. At the end of the day, it’s a fake minor in fake porn having fake sex, like I said, your weird fantasy definition. Especially since 99% of the time these “lolis” KF’ers complain about barely even look like children. If a crime isn’t being committed, I don’t *care. And I don’t believe it’s worth any sort of gamergate esc crusade because it’s all fucking fake.
* I care insofar as I think its gross and I don’t like you and I don’t want to be near you, I certainly do not care enough to make a thread on you however.

Like Sneeder said, gaming journalism was affecting real life. This isn’t. Back in my day we just avoided lolicons and they were shunned to their corner of the internet where we mutually agreed not to bother eachother. Now we’re busting down their doors and trying to get in their business, so what’s happened? They’re breaching other places. You can’t even blame them, war is war.
And I’m going to say something very controversial, the internet does not need to be cleaned up. The internet dosent need jannies. The internet is where you go to post whatever the fuck you want and if someone posts something you don’t like you just avoid them. And if they commit a real life crime you report them. These gay little investigative teams are stupid and you’re not anyone’s mom and you need to stop trying to parent strangers on the internet, telling them what they can and can’t post and what they can and can’t jerk off to or else you doxx them. It’s fucking stupid, you’re not the president of the internet.

I’m struggling to find the right words to describe what I mean, but TlDr; Kiwifarm’s crusade against loli is retarded and I don’t care for “exposing” these guys or whatever. Laughing at them, sure, but this isn’t laughing. It’s whining.

Thing is you are actually a reasonable person. Kiwiniggers are unreasonable a-logs.

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

If anyone here is familiar with Trump Derangement Syndrome, it means that those who are hysterically anti-Trump often engage in self-destructive and idiotic behavior over the mere fact that Trump even exists, this is found mostly with left-wingers that A-Log Trump 24/7 when they think Trump is Literately Hitler and go apeshit over anything Trump does (even if Trump does some good things). The effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome isn't always immediate, it comes in a more subtle variety too where someone who is anti-Trump have TDS slowly eat away their both their body and mind.

So what does Trump Derangement Syndrome have anything to do with Lolicon? Well me seeing enough of the lolicon wars have made me come up with the term 'Lolicon Derangement Syndrome' which means someone who is hysterically anti-lolicon often engage in self-destructive and idiotic behavior over the mere fact that the Japanese subgrene of Lolicon exists (similar to Trump Derangement Syndrome). But much like Trump Derangement Syndrome, with Lolicon Derangement Syndrome comes in a more subtle variety too where LDS can also slowly eat away at a person's body and mind.

If you ask me, the Lolicon community are laughable lolcows but I consider them F-Tier lolcows that are not really worthy anyone's time 9 times out of 10. Why? Because I consider the Lolicons to be a very boring kind of lolcow.

Let me explain. 10 years ago, Kiwi Farms and other troll communities moralfaged over furry porn. Often furry porn involved the themes of bestiality and as cringe as this is, as the furry community gotten bigger and bigger this is no longer something you can use to mess with the furry community anymore because the furry community stopped caring that people know they enjoy furry porn a long time ago. So even trolls kinda stopped making fun of furries for making furry porn not because online trolls had a change of heart but because making fun of furry porn got boring, especially as now and days furry porn is considered a normie form of porn now. Furries are gooners but they're also a generic type of gooner. Do you see where I'm getting at here?

The Lolicons are just basically one skin of the gooner archetype; degenerates that jack off to a weird fetish. There's a million gooner communities on the Internet that get rock hard by just about anything you can think of (I'm pretty sure there probably exists a gooner community that jacks off to literal rocks).

I find the lolicons to be boring because they're no different than furries or other gooner communities out there. Degenerate weirdos jack off to weird thing, what exactly is the gimmick here that I'm suppose to be excited about or get interested in? If you've seen one gooner community then you've seen them all which is why I find the lolicons to be boring. Every gooner community is exactly alike, the only main difference is whatever fetish they worship.

So when I see Kiwi Farms and the Sharty A-Log over lolicon, my is question is why? Why waste your time on Literately Whos most people won't remember in a week by now when there are far more important things to worry about? (Like world hunger.)

Kiwi Farms has clearly run out of interesting lolcows and if you ask me, I get the strong feeling the Sharty is probably on some FBI watchlist because they often also illegally access emails and social media accounts of their victims that don't belong to them (it wouldn't surprise me if the Soyteens are under FBI surveillance with warrants waiting to be signed by a federal judge to seize the Sharty).

Unless the lolcow in question is actively committing a serious crime (like murder) or involved in a terrorist group or involved in scamming people, it's really not worth wasting your time and energy in making a mountain out of a molehill over F-Tier lolcows and Literately Whos.

Besides, the current drama with Shondo is her being an idiot by falsely accusing someone of being a groomer and that's it, this is not news worthy and most people will forget about this in a week from now. It be like reporting news that Chris-Chan bought a new car, it's not news worthy unless Chris-Chan did something horrible with his new car.

The Lolicons are cringeworthy lolcow degenerates but it seems Kiwi Farms have forgotten the lessons from the drama with MrEnter where MrEnter is a laughable lolcow but he isn't worth A-Logging for.

 

[Ultimate Niggerman]

At the end of the day, it’s a fake minor in fake porn having fake sex

People try to use "but (some of) it was traced on REAL CP!!1" to counter this btw but the cases of that are pretty uncommon.

I don't get how it's so hard for some people to understand that loli is not fundamentally different from diaper porn or inflation porn or prolapse porn or bloodplay porn or whatever other fucking shit internet weirdoes are jacking off to these days. In fact it's arguably not as bad as many of those simply by virtue of being entirely drawn. Even the ones where you can tell the plot/scenario is something the author is either deeply fantasizing about doing IRL or something they experienced as a child (and yes, I have been shown some of those) are only about as bad as 2g1c or some other very niche and disgusting fetish shit.

I don't want to sit next to a dude who is openly into loli the same way I don't want to sit sext to a dude who is openly into scat fetishism. I just don't want to deal with them because not only do they lack the social skills to keep personal info private, their personal life is gross. Should they be put on a watchlist? In a perfect world, no, but people get put on terrorism watchlists for twitter shitposts these days so maybe it's fair for law enforcement to keep a list of lolicons just in case. Should they be jailed? Absolutely not, we have freedom of speech/expression for a reason.

Letting the lolicons post about how much they love anime 10yo girls under their full names all they want is a good thing because they're openly self-identifying so they're easier to avoid and/or document in the cases of the criminal ones. You'd think that Jersh, owner of a literal fucking lolcow website, would grasp the concept of not interrupting an enemy when they're making a mistake.

 

[Kiwi Pot Pie]

Null and Kiwifarms are so desperate to turn the lolicon debate into Gamergate 2.0. "We want to save the kids from porn" is the new "we want ethics in video game journalism".

It is close to a Gamergate 2 debate since the lolifags and hentai addicts are among the parties calling out the payment processors for censoring the internet. However lolicons also oppose age verification laws for looking at 18+ content, another Gamergate 2 level debate. Kiwi Farms loves age verification laws, even though it would force Kiwis to dox (sorry, PHONEBOOK) themselves because the site is full of 18+ content like revenge porn, naked lolcows, zoosadism, and the watch people die thread.

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

It is close to a Gamergate 2 debate since the lolifags and hentai addicts are among the parties calling out the payment processors for censoring the internet. However lolicons also oppose age verification laws for looking at 18+ content, another Gamergate 2 level debate. Kiwi Farms loves age verification laws, even though it would force Kiwis to dox (sorry, PHONEBOOK) themselves because the site is full of 18+ content like revenge porn, naked lolcows, zoosadism, and the watch people die thread.

Then the Lolicons are winning because yesterday on Halloween or on November 1st (I think) the European Union scrapped their plans to enact Chat Control for social media.

Chat Control was a proposal by the EU to scan for CSAM and other content deemed illegal under EU regulations for social media. However, while privacy advocates and human rights advocates know that the EU means well, they criticized the proposal over privacy and humans rights concerns by stating that this may give some EU member states more authoritarian power to police speech on the Internet in Europe (similar to what we saw with the disaster known as the UK Online Safety Act).

So for the moment, Chat Control is now dead in the EU with privacy and humans rights groups celebrating the EU scrapping this horrid proposal.

The EU (for the moment) saved their tech industry while the UK is killing theirs. Honestly, the shit Kiwi Farms wants for the Internet is only going to ruin the Internet; this includes ironically ruining Kiwi Farms should the Kiwis have their way in policing the Internet.

 

[Boobie Bomb]

The fuck did I just read?

 

[Boobie Bomb]

Then the Lolicons are winning because yesterday on Halloween (I think) the European Union scrapped their plans to enact Chat Control for social media.

Chat Control was a proposal by the EU to scan for CSAM and other content deemed illegal under EU relations. However, while privacy advocates and human rights advocates know that the EU means well, they criticized the proposal over privacy and humans rights concerns by stating that this may give some EU member states more authoritarian power to police speech on the Internet in Europe (similar to what we saw with the disaster known as the UK Online Safety Act).

So for the moment, Chat Control is now dead in the EU with privacy and humans rights groups celebrating the EU scrapping the proposal.

The EU saved their tech industry while the UK is killing theirs. Honestly, the shit Kiwi Farms wants for the Internet is only going to ruin the Internet; this includes ironically ruining Kiwi Farms should the Kiwis have their way in policing the Internet.

I still remember this post from Newgrounds.

 

[SpaceStationRubber]

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The fuck did I just read?

This moron is exactly the kind of person they're looking, what on god's green ass earth, is that post he just made, you'd think with this he'd taken drugs when making that shit.

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

I still remember this post from Newgrounds.

The Kids Online Safety Act got scrapped last year because the House GOP didn't supported it (Mike Johnson agreed with the spirit of the bill but he decided not to support it on the count that the proposed bill granted state AGs the power to police speech on the Internet and this includes political speech; Mike Johnson and the House GOP didn't liked this so KOSA died last year because of that).

Some states have tried to pass their own version of KOSA but they got struck down as unconstitutional citing First Amendment concerns.

Probably the most recent thing that happened on why we probably won't see age verification on a federal level for the rest of the Internet is the Trump administration heavily criticizing the UK Online Safety Act where the UK is using this new law to crack down on political dissent.

I get the feeling the only people that really pushing for age verification on the Internet for America are paid Russian shills (because Trump and Putin hate each other now), Chinese spies, and Indians that seek to destroy America's dominance on tech. We've already seen the damage caused by the UK Online Safety Act where the UK's tech industry has been damaged over this stupid law (with some UK tech firms really considering moving out of the UK and want move to America now because America is more business friendly unlike the UK) and I assume the people that really want age verification for the Internet in America only want this to destroy America's tech industry and let countries like China, Russia, Iran, and India take the lead.

I strongly believe the people that really want age verification for the Internet in America are not Americans being concerned over kids on the Internet but most likely foreign threat actors that will do anything to subvert America and destroy America's dominance over the world. If this is the case then Kiwi Farms got duped by the foreign psyops like the useful idiots that they are.

"You Are Not Immune to Propaganda"

 

[ipreferpickles]

I think Null is just mad the loli Vtubers are more popular than him, same with the incel streamers like Fuentes becoming bigger than him, so he's trying to take down as many as he can. Null is in his mid-30's and is running off of pure spite, that's why he keeps cheering on Trump's dumbest actions despite most of his mod team openly saying how bad Trump is and openly criticizing Null for it.

 

[Obscenity2022]

The difference is that outside of KF, the Sharty, and a few terminally online grifters and rightoids, nobody really gives a shit about lolicon. People actually cared about video games journalism because their articles put pressure on video game companies to censor and alter their games. By contrast, almost nobody involved in the lolicon wars has children. Null (who is 5'4") has no children. Welperhelper99 (who wants to get fucked in the ass by trannies) has no children. Notorietus (a literal Mexican) has no children. Sprate Header has no children. LavenderMenace (who writes poorly written self-insert erotic novels) has no children. PPP (groomer) has no children. Warski (also a groomer) aborted all his children. The soyteens are literally children. Nux Taku, Shondo, Templar, Synthetic Man, Flamenco, etc... have no children

thats actually a great point, beyond that is that none of them remember the pre-trump era when conservatives such as Rick Santorum were also on the anti-anime train because if they did they'd remember how cringe and non-starting this whole anti-anime take is.

And that was a dozen years ago, its even less of a nonstarter now when the biggest halloween costumes were from a netflix anime and a majority of people watch anime and its the only genre of movies that make any money now too.

Null if he was born a decade earlier would be Jack Thompson level "fuck video games" and if we're more honestly probably already is but at least understands how bad that take would be

“We want ethics in anime pornography”

great point, like if we're being more honest i bet most of them just hate anime in general and this is just a great wedge issue, if it was regular hentai they wouldn't be like oh-ok. in general Null and co hate sexualized women in any media, which means a big hate boner for anime. its like the tranny issue, the people hating trannies just want them executed, no matter if they're kids or whatever.

I think Null is just mad the loli Vtubers are more popular than him, same with the incel streamers like Fuentes becoming bigger than him, so he's trying to take down as many as he can. Null is in his mid-30's and is running off of pure spite, that's why he keeps cheering on Trump's dumbest actions despite most of his mod team openly saying how bad Trump is and openly criticizing Null for it.

another great point. Null and welper and other right wingers online just want people to suffer. they try and hide it but that's all this is about. they attack certain groups them deem acceptable but would go after everyone. its like how Johnny Bravo accuses everyone of being a pedo if they disagree with him. its not about fair debates or morals they just want to hurt people and finding acceptable targets for it.

 

[Joshua Conner Moon]

>it's da LOLICONS
when exactly did kf become so obsessed with anime character moralfagging again?

 

[Obscenity2022]

>it's da LOLICONS
when exactly did kf become so obsessed with anime character moralfagging again?

i do love how obvious it is too. pretty sure Null said k-pop demon slayers was going to lead to children being raped or something insane like that. its just simple hatred of all things cartoon. its pretty fucking ironic too considering his favorite animators and every guest he's had on MATI are huge weebs. Null and his faggy fanbase are the only ones under 40 hating anime. even JD vance admitted to enjoying Dragon ball z when he was younger

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

I'm willing to bet five bucks that Kiwi Farms will probably promote the idea that Lolicon was invented by the Jews and this is some plot by Israel to control the West even though this is a genre of entertainment that strictly belongs to the Japanese.

Unless Kiwi Farms wants to make the argument that the Japanese are cryptojews or something.

 

[Fulgur Manifestation]

Null is playing a dangerous game for being the internet pariah and having a history of loving shota and being a creep in Blockland forums. He can't not know that his enemies employ cancel culture, with Keffals and Liz Fong Jones as an example. Is this what he really wants, to have something blow up in his face?

 

[Obscenity2022]

Null is playing a dangerous game for being the internet pariah and having a history of loving shota and being a creep in Blockland forums. He can't not know that his enemies employ cancel culture, with Keffals and Liz Fong Jones as an example. Is this what he really wants, to have something blow up in his face?

he doesn't give a fuck anymore. all the oldfags seem to just take kiwifarms as a Resetera for the right wing now and its relevance quickly dying as it really doesn't have new lolcows to talk about and its old ones are being less relevant.

kiwifarms is taking Fuentes being king of Instagram's right wing very hard because it basically proves all their doxing and humilating of people won't stop them from going viral because of some clip with "smells like teen spirit" in the background

 

[TheCIAGlowsInTheDark]

Me as an Internet oldfag that has seen many things on the Internet, I'm sure everyone that is as old as I am probably remembers the Rules of the Internet.

Some of the rules include:
Rule 1: Do not talk about /b/.
Rule 2: Do NOT talk about /b/.
Rule 14: Do not argue with trolls - it means that they win.
Rules 22 and 23: Copypasta is made to ruin every last bit of originality.
Rule 26: Any topic can be easily turned into something totally unrelated.
Rule 34: There is porn of it - no exceptions.
Rule 46: There is always furry porn of it.
Rule 48: The pool is closed.

You probably remember seeing some of these back in the day when 4chan was more relevant.

But there is one rule that Kiwi Farms seem to have forgotten about a long time ago.

Rule 19: The more you hate something, the stronger it gets.

As the saying goes, all publicity is good publicity. No matter how controversial that someone or something seems, the more you give attention to that person or thing (be it positive or negative) then it gets stronger.

Nick Fuentes is a controversial figure, nobody likes him and this includes even the GOP finding Nick Fuentes to be objectionable. However, Nick Fuentes still remains the de facto leader of the Dissident Right. Unless Nick Fuentes finds himself being involved in a serious crime, nothing is going to remove Nick Fuentes from being the default leader of America's Far-Right. The gay Mexican Catboy is likely going to continue being the leader of the American Far-Right the longer people keeps giving him the attention he wants.

It's the same with Lolicon. The Japanese genre of Lolicon is a controversial genre of anime and manga due to this genre of Japanese entertainment exploring the topic of child sexual abuse. But why isn't the genre of Lolicon going away anytime soon? Because people keep talking about it. The more you keep talking about it, the stronger it gets.

The more you hate something, the stronger it gets.

Want Nick Fuentes and his groypers to go away? Stop talking about them.

Want Lolicon to become irrelevant? Stop talking about it.

Something is only truly dead when everyone collectively stops talking about it. Back in the day, Ragecomics were the biggest meme on the Internet and now no one talks about them anymore because everyone on the Internet have collectively stopped talking about Ragecomics. The Ragecomics meme is now officially dead.

You'd think someone as old as Jersh would understand this because he's been on the Internet longer than most Kiwis but nope, Jersh is committing every carnal sin when it comes to the Internet these days.

 

[Obscenity2022]

Rule 19: The more you hate something, the stronger it gets.

they knew this back before this era, like a-logging used to get called out a lot, its a big reason people used to hate PPP, he didn't hide behind laughter like kiwifarms did from 2013-2022.

ut nope, Jersh is committing every carnal sin when it comes to the Internet these days.

as you see from his twitter interactions, he's still the angry fatboy that he was a decade ago. him revealing his diet habits was just a notch above chris-chan in terms of oversharing. if he didn't own kiwifarms he'd be owned by kiwifarms. he used to admit to not being able to take what kiwifarms dished out. he's still a faggot.