Joining The Army

[Bear Hammer]

The reality of it is, the absolute joke of it is @Bear Hammer after you come home, when you've got your discharge and especially if you've seen combat... go read reddit for a couple of hours. Then the absolute fucking HORROR will slowly creep into your mind and you will have the sickening realization that you were dodging rifle fire and IEDs to protect these fucking people. And these fat little creatures with soft underbellies that are chronically online not only expect to be living in a world like this where everything is handed to them in perpetuity, they still have the balls to say fuck this country.

Who would have thought that literally a hundred years of people living like fucking royalty would have made us weak, stupid and entitled?

I get what you’re saying, and I honestly don’t even know if I’d ever see combat, especially since we are in peacetime right now, if I even do a combat related job, and how scary my waiver stack is.

But even if I would have to go into combat, I'm fine doing hard, thankless work so that others can live soft. That's literally part of the deal with joining the military. I think what people miss is that saying "fuck veterans" or "fuck America" is also part of what makes this country great. That you can say that and not be disappeared or sent to a labor camp, and still enjoy the comfort and safety people like you (and hopefully someday me ) are willing to preserve, even if it pisses us off.

The comfort they mock is exactly what is needed to be defended, and they don't even realize it.

 

[Onion Null 2]

I get what you’re saying, and I honestly don’t even know if I’d ever see combat, especially since we are in peacetime right now

Yeah but here's the scary part dude: all them boys in the American Army we're training with wooden rifles cuz they didn't even have enough to go around. The military budget wasn't that big back then because we we're in peacetime.

Then bam. Pearl harbor. You have to be ready for it at a moment's notice is all I'm saying. And last time I checked we had a lot of enemies and there was a lot of wars going on around the world that we had our fingers in.

if I even do a combat related job, and how scary my waiver stack is.

But even if I would have to go into combat, I'm fine doing hard, thankless work so that others can live soft. That's literally part of the deal with joining the military. I think what people miss is that saying "fuck veterans" or "fuck America" is also part of what makes this country great. That you can say that and not be disappeared or sent to a labor camp, and still enjoy the comfort and safety people like you (and hopefully someday me ) are willing to preserve, even if it pisses us off.

Well yeah but I'm also happy that I defended my right to be like "fuck these rodents, they don't deserve the life that this country provides them"

The comfort they mock is exactly what is needed to be defended, and they don't even realize it.

I feel like that comfort should be taken away, or earned. These people have been pampered for so long they never learn to appreciate it.

 

[Bear Hammer]

So yeah, even though my suicide-by-cop attempt and the shit I was saying back then was really bad, my recruiter still says there's hope. Apparently the magic number is two years, and it's been exactly that long since I've had any major meltdowns, hospital visits, or attempts to bait a cop into killing me.


He said that if I stack the following:

>GED (in progress)
>15 college credits (easy Tier 1 boost — Sophia.org is actually legit)
>A job (I’m working on this, probably something basic just to show I can be responsible)
>Fitness improvements (already dropped weight from being a green redditor, working toward pull-ups)
>And a good ASVAB score (I'm aiming very high, no "minimum score to enlist" garbage)
>A note from my manager saying that he did not have to make any accommodations for me and he doesn't think I'm crazy
>A note from my past therapist saying that I did not have to come back and that they believe I am "mentally fit to serve"
>Word the personal statement like I was just being really dramatic and that I wasn't really that crazy (which was true)

…then the waiver has a real shot. He basically said it's hard, but not impossible. Especially if I don’t come off like a liability or a timebomb. Which I do genuinely believe I am not either of those things.



So yeah, it's still spooky. The psych ward paperwork exists. The quotes I said back then were cartoonishly insane. But if I can come in with receipts that show I've been stable, productive, and focused for two years, there's a path forward.

Worst-case scenario: I get denied and I guess I'll volunteer to fight in a foreign war. But best-case? I earn my way in despite all of it. Which would be kind of poetic, honestly.

 

[Onion Null 2]

So yeah, even though my suicide-by-cop attempt and the shit I was saying back then was really bad, my recruiter still says there's hope. Apparently the magic number is two years, and it's been exactly that long since I've had any major meltdowns, hospital visits, or attempts to bait a cop into killing me.


He said that if I stack the following:

>GED (in progress)
>15 college credits (easy Tier 1 boost — Sophia.org is actually legit)
>A job (I’m working on this, probably something basic just to show I can be responsible)
>Fitness improvements (already dropped weight from being a green redditor, working toward pull-ups)
>And a good ASVAB score (I'm aiming very high, no "minimum score to enlist" garbage)
>A note from my manager saying that he did not have to make any accommodations for me and he doesn't think I'm crazy
>A note from my past therapist saying that I did not have to come back and that they believe I am "mentally fit to serve"
>Word the personal statement like I was just being really dramatic and that I wasn't really that crazy (which was true)

…then the waiver has a real shot. He basically said it's hard, but not impossible. Especially if I don’t come off like a liability or a timebomb. Which I do genuinely believe I am not either of those things.



So yeah, it's still spooky. The psych ward paperwork exists. The quotes I said back then were cartoonishly insane. But if I can come in with receipts that show I've been stable, productive, and focused for two years, there's a path forward.

Worst-case scenario: I get denied and I guess I'll volunteer to fight in a foreign war. But best-case? I earn my way in despite all of it. Which would be kind of poetic, honestly.

Not for nothing and no offense intended, but if you had problems like that being in the mental hospital and stuff... I'm already going to tell you right now from experience you have a WAY higher success rate at joining the Army than the Marines, because I've seen people get turned down from the Marines and the Navy and immediately get swooped up by the Army.

The Army will pretty much take anyone who's not a frothing at the mouth psychopath. I mean Jesus dude they'll take anyone up to 35 years old, and even then you can get an age waiver and join when you're older if they give you a physical and think you can make it through basic training lol.

I mean Jesus Christ man they took 19 year old ME so what does that tell you?

 

[Bear Hammer]

Not for nothing and no offense intended, but if you had problems like that being in the mental hospital and stuff... I'm already going to tell you right now from experience you have a WAY higher success rate at joining the Army than the Marines, because I've seen people get turned down from the Marines and the Navy and immediately get swooped up by the Army.

The Army will pretty much take anyone who's not a frothing at the mouth psychopath. I mean Jesus dude they'll take anyone up to 35 years old, and even then you can get an age waiver and join when you're older if they give you a physical and think you can make it through basic training lol.

I mean Jesus Christ man they took 19 year old ME so what does that tell you?

Yeah, I'll most likely try the Army if the Marines reject me. I know the Army's waivers go down easier, and they're more likely to give someone like me a shot if I come in squared away.

But for some reason I still want to try the Marines first. I don't even fully know how to explain it. It’s just something about the marines, the structure, the intensity, the adventure that it promises, the culture. I really want to go there, ideally not just coast into whatever branch will have me.


If it doesn’t work out, that's unfortunate I guess i'll pivot and make something out of it. But I'd rather take the shot that means the most first, even if the odds are shit.

And I also will probably go infantry just to try to be on this attack drone team, it seems really cool.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/ne...07/marine-corps-introduces-drone-attack-team/

 

[Onion Null 2]

Yeah, I'll most likely try the Army if the Marines reject me. I know the Army's waivers go down easier, and they're more likely to give someone like me a shot if I come in squared away.

But for some reason I still want to try the Marines first. I don't even fully know how to explain it. It’s just something about the marines, the structure, the intensity, the adventure that it promises, the culture. I really want to go there, ideally not just coast into whatever branch will have me.


If it doesn’t work out, that's unfortunate I guess i'll pivot and make something out of it. But I'd rather take the shot that means the most first, even if the odds are shit.

And I also will probably go infantry just to try to be on this attack drone team, it seems really cool.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/ne...07/marine-corps-introduces-drone-attack-team/

I understand completely. For me the army was the choice because I had a special kinship with it because my grandpa was in the army. So for me just rolling around as a PFC in grunt infantry was all I wanted. That was the brass ring, hit the same action pop pop did. Everything else that came after that was just gravy.

 

[Bear Hammer]

So apparently life decided to throw me a bone for once. I found out that my GED instructor, is not just some rando adult ed teacher. HES A FUCKING RETIRED E-9 FROM THE ARMY. Like, top-of-the-food-chain enlisted tier. Air Force + Army Reserves.

I found this out today meeting with him after taking a verification test. I'm just now realizing how stupidly lucky this might be for my waiver packet.


If I can get this man to write a character reference, even just a paragraph confirming I'm not a giant sperg in class, and that he supports me, that's going to look REALLY GOOD in front of the waiver board. Senior enlisted dudes carry weight. Especially when they're not known for fluffing kids who "just need a chance." If he vouches for me, it's actually going to mean something.



Only issue is I have no idea how to ask him without sounding like I'm begging for a pity signature. I don't want to unload my sob story and look like a charity case, but I also don't want to be vague and come across like I’m hiding shit. Still working out how I'm going to bring it up, maybe during a break or after class when no one's around.


Either way, if I pull this off, it's 100% going in the folder. Probably next to my psych eval and personal statement where I swear I'm not going to try to get myself killed by police again.

 

[Onion Null 2]

So apparently life decided to throw me a bone for once. I found out that my GED instructor, is not just some rando adult ed teacher. HES A FUCKING RETIRED E-9 FROM THE ARMY. Like, top-of-the-food-chain enlisted tier. Air Force + Army Reserves.

I found this out today meeting with him after taking a verification test. I'm just now realizing how stupidly lucky this might be for my waiver packet.


If I can get this man to write a character reference, even just a paragraph confirming I'm not a giant sperg in class, and that he supports me, that's going to look REALLY GOOD in front of the waiver board. Senior enlisted dudes carry weight. Especially when they're not known for fluffing kids who "just need a chance." If he vouches for me, it's actually going to mean something.



Only issue is I have no idea how to ask him without sounding like I'm begging for a pity signature. I don't want to unload my sob story and look like a charity case, but I also don't want to be vague and come across like I’m hiding shit. Still working out how I'm going to bring it up, maybe during a break or after class when no one's around.


Either way, if I pull this off, it's 100% going in the folder. Probably next to my psych eval and personal statement where I swear I'm not going to try to get myself killed by police again.

Wait until you're close to the end and ask him if he wouldn't mind doing it. You're right though that letter of recommendation will negate a lot of bad shit on your record.

 

[Bear Hammer]

Ashley?

 

[Onion Null 2]

Oh please tell the audience how the Iraq war kept all the sheep free Jack

"I have never initiated a conversation with you"

You should tell bearhammer about your ptsd and what it does and how you got it, be responsible bud

You don't even know how I got it or if I really have it, tard. Keep reachin.

Ashley?

Take a wild guess.

 

[Gore San]

She tried to suck up to me in kf general when I was asleep.

It's so funny this 19 year old furry retard is probably going to get shipped to kill kids in gaza since we have barely any "action" happening anywhere else right now and wind up boiling to death inside a merkava tank with a bunch of smelly jewish supremacists because a meth addict with NPD on the internet decided to lead him on.

Then immediately started pig raging in these two posts.

Oh please tell the audience how the Iraq war kept all the sheep free Jack

You should tell bearhammer about your ptsd and what it does and how you got it, be responsible bud

The context was a kf user powerleveled about seeing his teenage son's dick.

I really don't even have a funny quip for this. View attachment 95014

She replied with this.

More like Vladmart

I didn't approve her, but I find it funny she was swept and merged before I even woke up.

 

[Bear Hammer]

I'm going Army instead of the marines btw.

The more I looked into it, the more it became clear that the Army lines up way better with my long term goals than the marines ever could. The marine corps is great for a lot of things, but when I talked to former marines about it they made peacetime marine corps sound like basically a frat house with guns unless you're in a niche job like recon or MARSOC, and with the lack of funding you don't get as cool things as the army does. I'm not going to spend four years getting hazed, get poor training, and almost never get promoted.


With the Army, it's different. There seems to be a real pipeline for people like me. I'm aiming for an Option 40 contract, that's the 75th Ranger Regiment route btw. It's a straight from the street to airborne school, then RASP.


There's a decent chance I'll get smoked out, but the difference between trying to go to special operations in the marines vs the army is that you can just try again in the future. And even if I don't make it first time through, I'll still be in an airborne infantry unit, still doing really exciting things and staying in shape. And maybe I'll be the first person in my family to be in special operations. That alone puts me miles ahead of where I started.

 

[Bear Hammer]

Tbh, at this point if the U.S. military rejects my waivers, I might seriously end up going to Ukraine or Israel. Like this is pretty much my one shot at a meaningful life. I dropped out two years ago, tried to kill myself, and was pretty much a loser for almost all of my life. I got in shape, stopped doing dumb shit, started working on my GED and college credits, all for one goal. That was it. That was the purpose.


But now I'm here sweating worrying that some guy is going to look at one document from two years ago and say no. If that happens, no way am I going back to being loser. I am not going to rot anymore. And I sure as fuck will not live a life where I'm boxed into some wagecuck job making $16 an hour just because I had one mental health crisis when I was a teenager.


I mean if America doesn't want me, then I'll find another country that does. I'm not gonna spend the rest of my life apologizing for something I already outgrew.

 

[Onion Null 2]

Tbh, at this point if the U.S. military rejects my waivers, I might seriously end up going to Ukraine or Israel. Like this is pretty much my one shot at a meaningful life. I dropped out two years ago, tried to kill myself, and was pretty much a loser for almost all of my life. I got in shape, stopped doing dumb shit, started working on my GED and college credits, all for one goal. That was it. That was the purpose.


But now I'm here sweating worrying that some guy is going to look at one document from two years ago and say no. If that happens, no way am I going back to being loser. I am not going to rot anymore. And I sure as fuck will not live a life where I'm boxed into some wagecuck job making $16 an hour just because I had one mental health crisis when I was a teenager.


I mean if America doesn't want me, then I'll find another country that does. I'm not gonna spend the rest of my life apologizing for something I already outgrew.

Believe me, man... The army will take anyone. I mean they took me for Christ's sake and I'm a sociopath.

 

[Bear Hammer]

So the army recruiters laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a ranger, not really in a cruel way, more in a "lol ok lil bro" way. Can't really blame them tbh, scrawny GED-less autist with a psych history walking in saying he wants to be shooting people in the face. But to their credit, they actually dismiss me. They said Option 40 contracts actually aren't that rare, and if I can meet the PT standards and get my waivers pushed through, they'll work with me. Just told me to come back when I'm eligible and fit enough. That's fair imo.


Then like a few hours later I get a call from the Navy. Apparently the army recruiters passed my info to them I guess. This nigger tried to sell me on becoming a seal. Said I could join without a ged if I got a good asvab score, and he just got a kid with autism through MEPS. But bud/s seems like 10x more hellish than rasp. And the difference is if you fail rasp, you still end up doing something badass (airborne infantry). If i fail bud/s they will probably make me a chip painted. I'll still talk to the navy guy out of curiosity.

Believe me, man... The army will take anyone. I mean they took me for Christ's sake and I'm a sociopath.

Well I’m not your average sociopath, I think a "suicide by cop while autistic and on SSRIs" case is a lot harder. I'm not sure if I'm that kind of "anyone."

 

[Onion Null 2]

So the army recruiters laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a ranger, not really in a cruel way, more in a "lol ok lil bro" way. Can't really blame them tbh, scrawny GED-less autist with a psych history walking in saying he wants to be shooting people in the face. But to their credit, they actually dismiss me. They said Option 40 contracts actually aren't that rare, and if I can meet the PT standards and get my waivers pushed through, they'll work with me. Just told me to come back when I'm eligible and fit enough. That's fair imo.


Then like a few hours later I get a call from the Navy. Apparently the army recruiters passed my info to them I guess. This nigger tried to sell me on becoming a seal. Said I could join without a ged if I got a good asvab score, and he just got a kid with autism through MEPS. But bud/s seems like 10x more hellish than rasp. And the difference is if you fail rasp, you still end up doing something badass (airborne infantry). If i fail bud/s they will probably make me a chip painted. I'll still talk to the navy guy out of curiosity.



Well I’m not your average sociopath, I think a "suicide by cop while autistic and on SSRIs" case is a lot harder. I'm not sure if I'm that kind of "anyone."

Well if you stop aiming so high and wanting to be an Army ranger and just be a grunt like me, I'm 99.9% sure they'll take you... Your trip to the nut hut notwithstanding.

You're not going to be like a decorated top guy in any branch. They take the cream of the crop and sorry to tell you but we ain't it. They look for people who were the top of their class in high school, not people with a good enough diploma and a waiver for crazy. They want the top 1% and I hate to tell you dog but you and I are the 99.

I'm not trying to be a prick or discourage you or anything dude, I'm just saying that you have to temper your expectations and be realistic. Do you really think that someone who basically has to get a doctor's note to not be a section 8 in the army is going to end up on some kind of elite seal team 6 squad?

Realistically man, when it kicks off in Gaza you're going to be on the ground beating feet with the IDF and pumping Muslim torso full of 556's. Or you know... Whatever caliber the Army uses now if they still don't rock the M16 like we did.

 

[Bear Hammer]

Well if you stop aiming so high and wanting to be an Army ranger and just be a grunt like me, I'm 99.9% sure they'll take you... Your trip to the nut hut notwithstanding.

You're not going to be like a decorated top guy in any branch. They take the cream of the crop and sorry to tell you but we ain't it. They look for people who were the top of their class in high school, not people with a good enough diploma and a waiver for crazy. They want the top 1% and I hate to tell you dog but you and I are the 99.

I'm not trying to be a prick or discourage you or anything dude, I'm just saying that you have to temper your expectations and be realistic. Do you really think that someone who basically has to get a doctor's note to not be a section 8 in the army is going to end up on some kind of elite seal team 6 squad?

Realistically man, when it kicks off in Gaza you're going to be on the ground beating feet with the IDF and pumping Muslim torso full of 556's. Or you know... Whatever caliber the Army uses now if they still don't rock the M16 like we did.

I understand your point, and I'm not under some delusion that I'm going to be the next John Basilone or end up in Delta. I know I'm not the top 1%. But I also know I am not worthless, and I'm not just going to roll over and take a "grunt or nothing" mindset either.


Yeah, I am going to end up with GED and need waivers, but that doesn't mean I can't train, pass selection, or prove I'm dependable. Ranger regiment isn't SEAL Team 6, they take people who have their shit together, not just the best of the best, it's not delta. You don't need to be a valedictorian or have a perfect past, you just need to have grit, be reliable and committed. That's what I'm working on.


If I get denied? That's fine, I'll take whatever mos I can and crush it. But I'm not going to pre emptively self disqualify myself just because some people think only perfect people can do hard things. If anything, I think having something to prove matters more.

If I fall short, at least I won't be stuck wondering what could've happened if I actually tried.

 

[Onion Null 2]

I'm not just going to roll over and take a "grunt or nothing" mindset either.

Well, fuck you too.

Yeah, I am going to end up with GED and need waivers, but that doesn't mean I can't train, pass selection, or prove I'm dependable. Ranger regiment isn't SEAL Team 6, they take people who have their shit together, not just the best of the best, it's not delta. You don't need to be a valedictorian or have a perfect past, you just need to have grit, be reliable and committed. That's what I'm working on.


If I get denied? That's fine, I'll take whatever mos I can and crush it. But I'm not going to pre emptively self disqualify myself just because some people think only perfect people can do hard things. If anything, I think having something to prove matters more.

If I fall short, at least I won't be stuck wondering what could've happened if I actually tried.

Hey I'm not saying don't try, I'm just saying that dependability and grit and determination or whatever are a big part of what they look for... But they also look at your background as a whole.

All I'm saying is don't set yourself up for disappointment. And stop acting like being a grunt is the equivalent of being the underneath guys. We're the ones who get shit DONE. We're the last motherfuckers you see before you meet Satan and find out the 72 the virgins thing was a lie.

Besides, a purple heart is WAY cooler than whatever bullshit medals the other dorks get.

 

[Bear Hammer]

We're the last motherfuckers you see before you meet Satan and find out the 72 the virgins thing was a lie.

COLD

Hey I'm not saying don't try, I'm just saying that dependability and grit and determination or whatever are a big part of what they look for... But they also look at your background as a whole.

All I'm saying is don't set yourself up for disappointment. And stop acting like being a grunt is the equivalent of being the underneath guys. We're the ones who get shit DONE. We're the last motherfuckers you see before you meet Satan and find out the 72 the virgins thing was a lie.

Besides, a purple heart is WAY cooler than whatever bullshit medals the other dorks get.

I'm not shitting on infantry, didn't mean to come across like that. I've looked into it more, I know those are the people who get sent in first, who take the hits, and usually who end up with stories worth telling.

But no offense unc, we are in peacetime, the infantry isn't earning any purple hearts right now, they are currently doing nothing but doing PT and playing in the woods, with usually very slow promotion. And it doesn't look like they are going to do anything soon since it doesn't seem like war is close anyway.

Rangers are actually doing the job still, raids, real world missions, always training at a higher standard. If I'm going to bust my ass and eat dirt anyway, I'd rather do it with people who are still in the fight.

 

[Onion Null 2]

COLD


I'm not shitting on infantry, didn't mean to come across like that. I've looked into it more, I know those are the people who get sent in first, who take the hits, and usually who end up with stories worth telling.

But no offense unc, we are in peacetime, the infantry isn't earning any purple hearts right now, they are currently doing nothing but doing PT and playing in the woods, with usually very slow promotion. And it doesn't look like they are going to do anything soon since it doesn't seem like war is close anyway.

Rangers are actually doing the job still, raids, real world missions, always training at a higher standard. If I'm going to bust my ass and eat dirt anyway, I'd rather do it with people who are still in the fight.

You're selling it short, cousin. I'm telling you it's only a matter of time before we goose step into Gaza.