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[Bear Hammer]

Your body produces insulin in response to sugar, fake sugar tricks the body and creates an insulin response but doesn't break it down. Your body can become resistant to insulin and will need more. This is a well known fact. And has been documented.

Not really. You're right that there's something called the cephalic phase insulin response where your body might release a super mega teeny tiny literal-who nigger bit of insulin in anticipation of sweetness. But that response is so fucking small, inconsistent, minimal, and varies by sweetener, person, and context. Like literally preheating the oven levels of insulin, not full on metabolic warfare.

Also there's no glucose spike, so there's literally nothing for the insulin to actually do. Your cells aren't getting flooded, your pancreas isn't in panic mode, and you're not somehow training your body to ignore insulin. The idea that this super small, occasional response leads to insulin resistance or diabetes is just speculative.

There's only a few cherry-picked rodent studies or correlation-heavy human ones with confounders everywhere that say that.



tl;dr: Artificial sweeteners don't work like sugar, your pancreas isn't that retarded, and metabolic disease is a bit more complicated than "Zero Sugar Dr.Pepper = diabeetus"

 

[Gore San]

It can cause it over time not right away. This goes for more than just soda because they add it to almost everything now. Which builds up your tolerance to insulin over time. It's the reason why it's linked to type 2 diabetes. You're just denying objectives facts at this point. It's like saying you smoke cigarettes but never got lung cancer yourself.

 

[Bear Hammer]

It can cause it over time not right away. This goes for more than just soda because they add it to almost everything now. Which builds up your tolerance to insulin over time. It's the reason why it's linked to type 2 diabetes. You're just denying objectives facts at this point. It's like saying you smoke cigarettes but never got lung cancer yourself.

First you said "sugar-free soda causes diabetes," now your saying "well, it might contribute over time because it's everywhere and messes with your insulin tolerance." That’s not the same claim.

Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. Just because artificial sweeteners are linked to type 2 diabetes in some observational studies doesn't mean they cause it. People who drink diet soda tend to already have poor metabolic health, that's reverse causality. Like blaming fire trucks for fires because they're always at the scene.


And no, there's no proven mechanism that shows fake sugar builds up "insulin tolerance" (which isn't the correct term btw, it's insulin resistance). The idea that your body "gets used to insulin" from sweeteners that don't even raise blood sugar is like saying drinking decaf builds up your tolerance to caffeine.

 

[ANNE HATHAWAY FANANNE HATHAWAY FAN is verified member.]

his frog voice.

Come on, big dog. He has a neurological condition called spasmodic dysphonia. He can't help that is voice sounds like that, he can only help how incredibly BASED he is.

 

[ANNE HATHAWAY FANANNE HATHAWAY FAN is verified member.]

Not really. You're right that there's something called the cephalic phase insulin response where your body might release a super mega teeny tiny literal-who nigger bit of insulin in anticipation of sweetness. But that response is so fucking small, inconsistent, minimal, and varies by sweetener, person, and context. Like literally preheating the oven levels of insulin, not full on metabolic warfare.

Also there's no glucose spike, so there's literally nothing for the insulin to actually do. Your cells aren't getting flooded, your pancreas isn't in panic mode, and you're not somehow training your body to ignore insulin. The idea that this super small, occasional response leads to insulin resistance or diabetes is just speculative.

There's only a few cherry-picked rodent studies or correlation-heavy human ones with confounders everywhere that say that.



tl;dr: Artificial sweeteners don't work like sugar, your pancreas isn't that retarded, and metabolic disease is a bit more complicated than "Zero Sugar Dr.Pepper = diabeetus"

Sugar substitutes: New cardiovascular concerns? - Harvard Health

People who use artificial sweeteners such as aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal), acesulfame potassium (Sunnett, Sweet One), and sucralose (Splenda) may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease compa...

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[Muttley]

did you guys know that sucrose from ingredients like raw sugar breaks down in low ph environments into glucose and fructose?

honestly between the concerns of alternative sweeteners raise and the fact that sucrose is identical chemically after the fact, the best course of action you have is to drink the regular soda pop, but in moderation, in my uneducated opinion.

 

[Gore San]

First you said "sugar-free soda causes diabetes," now your saying "well, it might contribute over time because it's everywhere and messes with your insulin tolerance." That’s not the same claim.

Correlation DOES NOT EQUAL causation. Just because artificial sweeteners are linked to type 2 diabetes in some observational studies doesn't mean they cause it. People who drink diet soda tend to already have poor metabolic health, that's reverse causality. Like blaming fire trucks for fires because they're always at the scene.


And no, there's no proven mechanism that shows fake sugar builds up "insulin tolerance" (which isn't the correct term btw, it's insulin resistance). The idea that your body "gets used to insulin" from sweeteners that don't even raise blood sugar is like saying drinking decaf builds up your tolerance to caffeine.

Quit being retarded. "Sugar free" soda with artificial sweetener isn't really sugar free and does contribution to diabetes along with the many other products containing it. You sound like a shill for artificial sweetener or something. Because you're doing an awful lot of bootlicking. Fact is you are wrong. And look retarded for thinking otherwise. Everyone but you knows sugar free products are a scam and make diabetes worse. If you were tricked by goyslop marketing I don't know what to tell you other than enjoy your goyslop while I enjoy real food.

 

[Gore San]

honestly between the concerns of alternative sweeteners raise and the fact that sucrose is identical chemically after the fact, the best course of action you have is to drink the regular soda pop, but in moderation, in my uneducated opinion.

Common sense isn't so uncommon after all. If anyone heard of the twinkie diet it was about a guy eating nothing but junk food but under 2000 calories and lost weight. Real soda won't kill you if you treat yourself once in a while, but I can barely finish a single regular can. So drinking a 2 liter a day by one's self is insane to me. Couldn't imagine.

 

[Gore San]

Sugar substitutes: New cardiovascular concerns? - Harvard Health

People who use artificial sweeteners such as aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal), acesulfame potassium (Sunnett, Sweet One), and sucralose (Splenda) may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease compa...

www.health.harvard.edu

He is one of those people easily tricked by retarded marketing gimmicks. Understandable considering what he is known for around here. Falling for Josh's market gimmick. Bro's going harder than a paid shill but does it for free. Out of enjoyment.

 

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did you guys know that sucrose from ingredients like raw sugar breaks down in low ph environments into glucose and fructose?

honestly between the concerns of alternative sweeteners raise and the fact that sucrose is identical chemically after the fact, the best course of action you have is to drink the regular soda pop, but in moderation, in my uneducated opinion.

I'm not sure if Soda City Funk is warranted here, but given the title I'm going to go ahead and post it.

 

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He is one of those people easily tricked by retarded marketing gimmicks. Understandable considering what he is known for around here. Falling for Josh's market gimmick. Bro's going harder than a paid shill but does it for free. Out of enjoyment.

Are you talking about me? Because again I'm going to "fall" for what my heart specialist who worked the Mayo clinic for 20 years tells me about my heart and diet soda. You'll have to forgive me if I trust him a little more than some forum full of guys who can't stop calling a fat girl fat.

 

[Gore San]

Are you talking about me? Because again I'm going to "fall" for what my heart specialist who worked the Mayo clinic for 20 years tells me about my heart and diet soda. You'll have to forgive me if I trust him a little more than some forum full of guys who can't stop calling a fat girl fat.

I didn't see you shilling for artificial sweetener in this thread so... Clearly the one who is protesting too much about the fact there is evidence artificial sweetener can be worse than regular sugar. I'm pretty much repeating what I've been told by doctors too. I don't know why bear hammer wants to defend the Splenda industry so much.

 

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I didn't see you shilling for artificial sweetener in this thread so... Clearly the one who is protesting too much about the fact there is evidence artificial sweetener can be worse than regular sugar. I'm pretty much repeating what I've been told by doctors too. I don't know why bear hammer wants to defend the Splenda industry so much.

If I could make a sad face I would, because I thought you were attacking me for hating artificial sweeteners.

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Bearhammer works for the aspartame Illuminati confirmed?

 

[Bear Hammer]

Quit being retarded. "Sugar free" soda with artificial sweetener isn't really sugar free

You realize those words mean something, right? "Sugar-free" literally just refers to absence of sucrose, glucose, fructose, etc., not whether it tastes sweet. If you're calling sucralose """sugar,""" that's like saying a nicotine patch is tobacco. Not how chemistry, or labeling, works.

and does contribution to diabetes along with the many other products containing it.

Source? You keep making this claim without anything backing it up.

You sound like a shill for artificial sweetener or something.

I'm still waiting for my check from Big Zero Sugar Dr.pepper.

Everyone but you knows sugar free products are a scam and make diabetes worse.

"Everyone", meaning every Facebook boomer? Almost every peer reviewed journals beg to differ.

Sugar substitutes: New cardiovascular concerns? - Harvard Health

People who use artificial sweeteners such as aspartame (NutraSweet, Equal), acesulfame potassium (Sunnett, Sweet One), and sucralose (Splenda) may have a higher risk of cardiovascular disease compa...

www.health.harvard.edu

These are still observational. The point isn't to panic, but to rethink daily intake. Occasional use appears less concerning. Let's wait for RCTs, but until then, moderation makes sense.

 

[ANNE HATHAWAY FANANNE HATHAWAY FAN is verified member.]

You realize those words mean something, right? "Sugar-free" literally just refers to absence of sucrose, glucose, fructose, etc., not whether it tastes sweet. If you're calling sucralose """sugar,""" that's like saying a nicotine patch is tobacco. Not how chemistry, or labeling, works.



Source? You keep making this claim without anything backing it up.


I'm still waiting for my check from Big Zero Sugar Dr.pepper.



"Everyone", meaning every Facebook boomer? Almost every peer reviewed journals beg to differ.



These are still observational. The point isn't to panic, but to rethink daily intake. Occasional use appears less concerning. Let's wait for RCTs, but until then, moderation makes sense.

Why are you a stooge for the artificial sweetener syndicate? What did they pay you?

 

[Bear Hammer]

Bearhammer works for the aspartame Illuminati confirmed?

I don't care if people drink diet soda or not, but diet soda derangement syndrome is a real thing and needs to be destroyed. There's so much bullshit spread out about it that it's just making people believe in bullshit. Like there are people who genuinely believe that something that literally has zero calories can somehow make you gain weight. Or that something that has literally zero sugar can raise your blood sugar.

 

[ANNE HATHAWAY FANANNE HATHAWAY FAN is verified member.]

I don't care if people drink diet soda or not, but diet soda derangement syndrome is a real thing and needs to be destroyed. There's so much bullshit spread out about it that it's just making people believe in bullshit. Like there are people who genuinely believe that something that literally has zero calories can somehow make you gain weight. Or that something that has literally zero sugar can raise your blood sugar.

Where did you get your degree from?

Because my cardiologist got his degree from Poznan Unviersity of Medical Sciences, and then he spent a decade at the Mayo clinic. You'll forgive me if I trust him a little bit more than some kid talking about "diet soda derangement syndrome"

 

[Bear Hammer]

If you’re gonna hate on diet sodas, at least know what you’re talking about. There are legit criticisms, just don't embarrass yourself by ranting about insulin spikes FROM ZERO CALORIE DRINKS.

 

[ANNE HATHAWAY FANANNE HATHAWAY FAN is verified member.]

If you’re gonna hate on diet sodas, at least know what you’re talking about. There are legit criticisms, just don't embarrass yourself by ranting about insulin spikes FROM ZERO CALORIE DRINKS.

My cardiologist got his degree from Poznan Unviersity of Medical Sciences in Poland, and then he spent a decade at the Mayo clinic.

You'll forgive me if I take his word over yours.

I think he might know a little teeny tiny bit more about hearts than you do.