KF Miscellaneous 𝓚𝓲𝔀𝓲 Kiwi Tropes

[nobodyworthwhile]

Sorry for the doublepost.

What Once Was Normal Is Now Woke
To be honest you could make a variation of this for a lot of groups and political leanings, but this is the Kiwi Tropes thread, so I'll give the Kiwi slant.

Essentially, things have gotten so polarized that things which were once innocuous, or which read very differently in their own time, would be accused of being "woke" if they happened today... or sometimes are even seen as proto-woke.

My favorite way of phrasing this is "Valis would be considered woke if it came out today." Valis, for those who don't know, is a series of video games about a schoolgirl named Yuko who is given a magic sword and told its her job to fight monsters and demons. It's basically Devil Hunter Yohko or Sailor Moon, but as a video game.

Obviously, what I'm getting at with this comparison is that these days, the mere concept of a girl who beats up monsters with a magic sword would be seen as "woke girlboss" regardless of their actual content.

It's not just about past media either: it also highlights that Kiwis tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to modern stuff.

To be fair: when a game has a character asking "what are your pronouns?" I understand the reaction.

But a lot of times you probably won't even understand what they're bitching about without asking, and when you do ask it really is something as petty as "games that star women are woke."

Fractured Logical Fallacies
We all know what logical fallacies are--those arguments people often think prove something, but really don't. Argument to Popularity, Moving the Goalposts, etc.

This topic has spoken about ways Kiwis are often just like Redditors. Yet another way (one even Kiwis have pointed out) is liking to misuse Logical Fallacies, often to mean the exact opposite of what they really mean.

"Moving the Goalpost" is supposed to mean that you've changed the standard for success, but I've seen it used for when you reinforce an existing standard rather than adopt a new, weaker standard that a Kiwi was hoping you'd accept. In essence, on KF "Moving the Goalpost" means that you won't let them pass with a failing grade (unlike Daddy Bush* )

"Strawman" is supposed to mean you put words in someone's mouth (essentially), but I've seen Kiwis accuse you of strawmanning when you're quoting exactly what they said.

One thing I find funny is Kiwis lately love lazy "get out of jail free" arguments. You use a certain word, you're automatically wrong. So of course, it makes sense they would love fallacies, and probably have a twisted understanding of them.

* this was me making a jab at George W. Bush's insane "no child left behind act," which was one of the things that ruined modern education.

 

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To be fair: when a game has a character asking "what are your pronouns?" I understand the reaction.

I don’t, cause most of the time their reaction is genuine violent vitriol. At most that gets an eye roll out of me and me assuming the rest of the game is probably annoying. At most. Not the genuine scorched earth shit Kiwis do.

One thing I find funny is Kiwis lately love lazy "get out of jail free" arguments. You use a certain word, you're automatically wrong. So of course, it makes sense they would love fallacies, and probably have a twisted understanding of them.

I often see Kiwis rely on fallacies despite embodying them. One time I saw someone say “Enough of these furfags claiming we “haven’t seen enough”. There has to be a fallacy for that, when someone thinks you have a negative opinion because you’re ill informed when really you have a negative opinion because you’ve seen too much”. Lucky for him, there is one! Or unlucky.

Anecdotal evidence: “I meet a lot of furry pedophiles because I use a site made to catch furry pedophiles so that must mean furries are all pedophiles”

 

[nobodyworthwhile]

I don’t, cause most of the time their reaction is genuine violent vitriol. At most that gets an eye roll out of me and me assuming the rest of the game is probably annoying. At most. Not the genuine scorched earth shit Kiwis do.

True, I forgot about that.

What I was getting at though is that at least "what are your pronouns" is something that really does specifically pigeonhole your creation, not only to a specific timeframe but also to a specific--and controversial--ideology.

By contrast, calling a game "woke" or "political" just for starring a woman with a sword, or for merely mentioning Covid* , is just completely baffling

*this referring to the Kiwi reaction to Silent Hill: A Short Message, where one optional document mentions that the player character's dad lost his job due to the lockdowns. You'd think Kiwis would be fine with this, since the lockdowns were real and the economic impact is something Kiwis highlighted... but for some reason they instead pretended the game was pushing a left-wing narrative and even went so far as to claim "its now canon that COVID causes Silent Hill Syndrome!" (which no, the game does not do that at all).

Double irony: not only are they bitching about a story detail they should agree with... but this is the same group that's always saying that fiction should not revise history, no matter how uncomfortable "the facts" make certain people.

Anecdotal evidence: “I meet a lot of furry pedophiles because I use a site made to catch furry pedophiles so that must mean furries are all pedophiles”

I actually saw a similar one in the SSJ_Ness thread, where someone said that because Ness turned out to be a pedo anime fan, all anime fans must be pedos.