Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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Yes - Transgender individuals really do have a different brain in comparison to their CIS counterparts

Here is the abstract
Transsexuals experience themselves as being of the opposite sex, despite having the biological characteristics of one sex. A crucial question resulting from a previous brain study in male-to-female transsexuals was whether the reported difference according to gender identity in the central part of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) was based on a neuronal difference in the BSTc itself or just a reflection of a difference in vasoactive intestinal polypeptide innervation from the amygdala, which was used as a marker. Therefore, we determined in 42 subjects the number of somatostatin-expressing neurons in the BSTc in relation to sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and past or present hormonal status. Regardless of sexual orientation, men had almost twice as many somatostatin neurons as women (P < 0.006). The number of neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals was similar to that of the females (P = 0.83). In contrast, the neuron number of a female-to-male transsexual was found to be in the male range. Hormone treatment or sex hormone level variations in adulthood did not seem to have influenced BSTc neuron numbers. The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.
Link to the Article: The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, Volume 85, Issue 5, 1 May 2000, Pages 2034–2041
 

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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It's a 23 year old article.
Yes. I know. But I was wondering. Could the question if gender identity be satisfactorily be answered with a dual gender identity? In other words, a primary gender and a secondary or subordinate gender? For example you have a transgendered male (biological male but with a female brain). Someone else like this would be a primary male gender with a subordinate female gender. It is still binary but not exclusionary.
 

Syntaxius

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"female neuron numbers"

that's like saying a dude with no balding has "female hair follicle numbers". If you're male, everything about your is male. Even the amount of neurons in your brain. "Female" is not defined by your neurons lmao. Besides, I can sort of see it being true for feminine men (who are still male), but the average gross fat autistic mtf fetishist is in no way similair to women, so the "similair brain" claim falls apart.
 
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Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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"female neuron numbers"

that's like saying a dude with no balding has "female hair follicle numbers". If you're male, everything about your is male. Even the amount of neurons in your brain. "Female" is not defined by your neurons lmao. Besides, I can sort of see it being true for feminine men (who are still male), but the average gross fat autistic mtf fetishist is in no way similair to women, so the "similair brain" claim falls apart.
But if a CIS female has a different brain structure then gender cannot be a social construct. If a transgender male has a female brain he can't be 100% male.
 

Nektar Geist

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But if a CIS female has a different brain structure then gender cannot be a social construct
The female brain is female because of the biological process it goes through. As in a male brain (ie a brain found in a male) is male because of the biological process it goes through. At some point nature decides that the fetus is either going to be male or female (unless something goes wrong and it becomes "intersex").

You can only have a female brain if you are FEMALE. Contrary-wise too.
. If a transgender male has a female brain he can't be 100% male.
He doesn't. He has a mental disorder, which is only made worse by people enabling it.
 

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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The female brain is female because of the biological process it goes through. As in a male brain (ie a brain found in a male) is male because of the biological process it goes through. At some point nature decides that the fetus is either going to be male or female (unless something goes wrong and it becomes "intersex").

You can only have a female brain if you are FEMALE. Contrary-wise too.

He doesn't. He has a mental disorder, which is only made worse by people enabling it.
But if it is a mental disorder then how do you change a female brain to a male? If it is just a fetish then it would be male from the start. One of them is a genuine transgender, the other is a pseudo-transgender.
 

Nektar Geist

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But if it is a mental disorder then how do you change a female brain to a male?
You don't change it. At best you are describing damage to the brain that exhibits itself as the person thinking they are "the wrong sex".
One of them is the real McCoy

the other is not.
FTFY.
You won't change my mind. XX is XX, XY is XY, you might have small variations on that, but male is male, female is female.
 
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Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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You don't change it. At best you are describing damage to the brain that exhibits itself as the person thinking they are "the wrong sex".



FTFY.
You won't change my mind. XX is XX, XY is XY, you might have small variations on that, but male is male, female is female.
You are right. Neither the primary gender nor the secondary gender can be changed.
 

Syntaxius

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But if a CIS female has a different brain structure then gender cannot be a social construct.
So? If the brain of the average woman is different from the average man's, then it's unrelated to gender.

Gender is a social construct insofar that we, as a society, decide to connect certain traits to a sex. High heels used to be worn by men, for example. That's an example of a gender related social construct.

If a transgender male has a female brain he can't be 100% male.
It literally doesn't matter what his brain is like, he's male therefore his brain is male. Period.

There is no "female" brain, that's ludicruous. A brain is not male or female, it's part of you. If you're male, so is your brain. Again, even if he has a brain similair to a women's, he's still male and so is his brain. Every cell in his brain is xy.

Besides, again, this argument doesn't work because the average tranny is a fat anime watching porn addicted loser, a farcry from the average woman. If anything, their brain seems more "masculine". Or rather, "autistic", I guess.
 

delphi

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Enough people have brain imaging done now that if the concept of AMAB people having a "female brain" is valid, we should be able to predict from those images who will ultimately be trans.

Despite past studies which claim to have established that trans women have "female brains", and despite huge studies which have looked at the difference between male and female brains in general (the last one I recall looked at over 70,000 images), nobody seems to be researching exactly when a "female brain" develops in MtFs. I find that curious because such research would go along way towards establishing a biological basis for transgenderism.
 

The Gays From LA

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If a transgender male has a female brain he can't be 100% male.
They don't. I need to find the infopic from Blanchard where he explained how TRAs consistently misrepresent this kind of research.

But if it is a mental disorder then how do you change a female brain to a male? If it is just a fetish then it would be male from the start. One of them is a genuine transgender, the other is a pseudo-transgender.
OMG Sailfish, you have no idea about the contemporary TRA movement, how extreme and irrational they've become in their views. They don't care if someone is "really" trans or if they have a female brain. If determining trans status was simply a matter of a man claiming to be "a woman trapped in a man's body" having a female brain, everyone claiming to be trans would've simply gotten a brainscan the moment they showed up at the gender specialist's office. TRAs hate the idea of brainscans because they consider that just another form of gatekeeping.

Contemporary TRAs aggressively reject using any objective criteria to determine if someone is trans or pseudo-trans. The contemporary trans movement claims that someone is trans when they say they are, no questions asked, no brainscans performed. I don't have the article here at hand, but I will try to find it later.
 

Firegirl26

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https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healt...lthough the male brain is,to be larger in men.

Man versus woman

On a personal note, I understand that men and women have the same biological brain, and that men have a little bit bigger brain. it’s how men and women use their brain that makes the difference. let’s say a woman decides to cook some thing generally speaking how would the woman thinking process be versus a man.
Or if two people are arguing in a man is involved in order to solve the problem. What would his solution or thought process be versus a woman? generally speaking.
 

Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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They don't. I need to find the infopic from Blanchard where he explained how TRAs consistently misrepresent this kind of research.


OMG Sailfish, you have no idea about the contemporary TRA movement, how extreme and irrational they've become in their views. They don't care if someone is "really" trans or if they have a female brain. If determining trans status was simply a matter of a man claiming to be "a woman trapped in a man's body" having a female brain, everyone claiming to be trans would've simply gotten a brainscan the moment they showed up at the gender specialist's office. TRAs hate the idea of brainscans because they consider that just another form of gatekeeping.

Contemporary TRAs aggressively reject using any objective criteria to determine if someone is trans or pseudo-trans. The contemporary trans movement claims that someone is trans when they say they are, no questions asked, no brainscans performed. I don't have the article here at hand, but I will try to find it later.
I understand what you are saying. Their word is God and not to be questioned. What is going on is intimidation not inclusion.
 
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Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt

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https://www.nm.org/healthbeat/healthy-tips/battle-of-the-brain-men-vs-women-infographic#:~:text=Although the male brain is,to be larger in men.

Man versus woman

On a personal note, I understand that men and women have the same biological brain, and that men have a little bit bigger brain. it’s how men and women use their brain that makes the difference. let’s say a woman decides to cook some thing generally speaking how would the woman thinking process be versus a man.
Or if two people are arguing in a man is involved in order to solve the problem. What would his solution or thought process be versus a woman? generally speaking.
Both men and women are equally intelligent overall but they excel in different areas.
 
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