Controversey - Hot Thread 🔥 Debate User Ishtar About Age of Consent (And the Fucked Up Drama That Comes With It)

[Gore San]

I disagree. When you are 16, you can get a driver's license. You have more flexibility in your work hours in a place like McDonalds and you start taking upper level courses in high school .

We were talking about 16 and 20 ken, not 16 and 18 because Romeo and Juliet laws already have that covered. 14 year olds can drive even if it's not legal, many of my friends in high school could drive better as freshman than some adult do today so that is irrelevant to having sex and starting a family before you finish high school.

 

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We were talking about 16 and 20 ken, not 16 and 18 because Romeo and Juliet laws already have that covered. 14 year olds can drive even if it's not legal, many of my friends in high school could drive better as freshman than some adult do today so that is irrelevant to having sex and starting a family before you finish high school.

Not necessarily. Some states don't have a Romeo and Juliet law.

 

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Im white

Bad move, bucky I was willing to be sympathetic that you grew up with this being all that you knew but no excuses now, you’ve literally grown up with the standard being 18. What happened to you that made you think it shouldn’t be?

 

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We were talking about 16 and 20 ken, not 16 and 18 because Romeo and Juliet laws already have that covered. 14 year olds can drive even if it's not legal, many of my friends in high school could drive better as freshman than some adult do today so that is irrelevant to having sex and starting a family before you finish high school.

This is completely off topic from Ishtar but it’s funny, I actually agree that 16 year olds and 14 year olds are close in mental development, yet for some reason the two together feels wrong to me. I genuinely don’t know why, I think it’s American television growing us up to think 16 year olds are quirky clever child geniuses who prank teachers and run them in circles while 14 year olds are just their annoying little siblings.

 

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This is completely off topic from Ishtar but it’s funny, I actually agree that 16 year olds and 14 year olds are close in mental development, yet for some reason the two together feels wrong to me. I genuinely don’t know why, I think it’s American television growing us up to think 16 year olds are quirky clever child geniuses who prank teachers and run them in circles while 14 year olds are just their annoying little siblings.

I agree that 16 is too young to start a family. Even 18 is too young. But a large part of it was the economy. I did an AI inquiry into how many adults went to college before WW2 when we still had an economy based on manufacturing.

In 1940, just under 5% of all adults in the United States had a bachelor's degree or higher, and only 15% of high school students went on to higher education. Before World War II, college was a privilege for a small, predominantly upper-income segment of the population, and a college education was not a prerequisite for most jobs. Adult population: In 1940, approximately 5% of all adults had a college degree. High school graduates: Only about 15% of high school students continued their education in 1937. Economic context: Most jobs before the war did not require a college degree, and higher education was largely limited to those from upper-income families.

Now we have a high technology services based economy that is now being driven more and more by AI. But back then, when you finished high school, you were an adult and expected to enter the adult world.

 

[Obscenity2022]

. But a large part of it was the economy

thats another part. like i said, in countries like latin america with an AoC of 14, its extremely common to be working and be able to afford your own place and be an adult by 15. very few neets in Guatemala. and a big reason for this whole discourse in the english speaking part of the internet is because of how much arrested developement there is, no one expects someone even 28 to be able to afford to raise a family. I know a guy who's 34 and has a wife and kid and can't afford to move out of his childhood home. thats becoming the norm in a lot of parts of the US, no wonder people think you're a creep if you want to fuck someone half that age.

combine that with immigration and you have plenty of people who's parents and relatives are able to be adults by the time they finish 8th grade, but because they live in the US now. you're not expected to be an adult until you're like 30.

 

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thats another part. like i said, in countries like latin america with an AoC of 14, its extremely common to be working and be able to afford your own place and be an adult by 15. very few neets in Guatemala. and a big reason for this whole discourse in the english speaking part of the internet is because of how much arrested developement there is, no one expects someone even 28 to be able to afford to raise a family. I know a guy who's 34 and has a wife and kid and can't afford to move out of his childhood home. thats becoming the norm in a lot of parts of the US, no wonder people think you're a creep if you want to fuck someone half that age.

combine that with immigration and you have plenty of people who's parents and relatives are able to be adults by the time they finish 8th grade, but because they live in the US now. you're not expected to be an adult until you're like 30.

I personally disagree

I grew up around a lot of immigrant families and they all had the understanding that 18 was when you’d be able to have sex. Hell, plenty of them believed it was wrong to even date before 18. Growing up, the idea was always the immigrant families are incredibly conservative with sexuality whilst the American kids get to have girlfriends in middle school. It was only the immigrants who literally hadn’t integrated into culture at all who were doing that stuff, like literally can’t even speak English. All these grooming accusations coming out, a lot of them are white people.

Now am I saying that white people are more pedophillic than minorities? No, absolutely not. Rather what I’m saying is based purely off of my experience and personal accounts, the idea that “We used to have a grasp on AoC until a certain year” is absolutely false. We never did, we only just now started caring.

Growing up, I’d see lots and I mean LOTS of 20 year olds dating 16 year olds. On online kids games, it was considered a status symbol to be dating some adult on it. Plenty of 90s and 2000s shows and movies ended with the kid at least getting a wink from his adult crush, if not an outright kiss. Amongst adults, smashing a kid was considered “cool”. Ever seen that Family Guy episode where Quagmire has sex with a 16 year old and Joe’s like “I have to arrest you, but that’s so fucking cool dude”. Seth didn’t pull that out his ass. People only started complaining about Scott Pilgrim’s relationship with Knives years after the book came out. There was sort of this standard that “Ya it’s wrong, but it’s really cool.”. Even in the 2010s, “loli”s were just “weird weeb shit” and sometimes even cool to be into. Hentai Dude, a 2010 rapper, became very famous and got lots of deals from singing about fucking lolis.

It was only around 2020 we started going “Ohhh wait this is bad”. Why? In my honest opinion, it’s because influencers realized they can profit off of exposing each other. They realized they can get clout and money if they dig up pedo shit their friend did that they were cool with years ago. Jeffree Star only exposed Dahvie Vanity years later despite knowing about what he did the whole time. After the grifter era, you had people actually start realizing “Wait no, this actually is bad” and that’s where we’re at now. The Age of Enlightenment, where we’ve realized the AoC is 18 for a reason.

 

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thats another part. like i said, in countries like latin america with an AoC of 14, its extremely common to be working and be able to afford your own place and be an adult by 15. very few neets in Guatemala. and a big reason for this whole discourse in the english speaking part of the internet is because of how much arrested developement there is, no one expects someone even 28 to be able to afford to raise a family. I know a guy who's 34 and has a wife and kid and can't afford to move out of his childhood home. thats becoming the norm in a lot of parts of the US, no wonder people think you're a creep if you want to fuck someone half that age.

combine that with immigration and you have plenty of people who's parents and relatives are able to be adults by the time they finish 8th grade, but because they live in the US now. you're not expected to be an adult until you're like 30.

Technically speaking in Guatemala the percentage of NEETs is higher than in the states. However I am guessing that a lot of the labor in places such as this is in the informal sector and not counted among economic statistics. But yeah, the culture is different there. Large families there are looked upon more favorably than here.

 

[Obscenity2022]

It was only the immigrants who literally hadn’t integrated into culture at all who were doing that stuff, like literally can’t even speak English

you mean most immigrants now? Did you type this from the 1970s?

a big reason illegal immigration is so bad is because these fucks don't integrate and refuse to learn english

 

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you mean most immigrants now? Did you type this from the 1970s?

I have not seen this. At least I have not seen non-English immigrants who weren’t learning English, usually due to working a job where they have to know it or else. Then again I don’t know when these people got to America since they’re just strangers I met on the street.

Like I said, just based on what I’ve seen.

 

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@Obscenity2022 For lack of a better term, we are seeing the results of what I call the "kiddieization" of young adults (especially in college). https://www.thecollegefix.com/color...niversities-prep-students-for-election-night/
I wish I was making this up: You need coloring books and milk & cookies to decompress after Donald Trump won the election.

Coloring, puppets, crafts: Elite universities prep students for election results​

Harvard, Virginia Tech, and Georgetown offer preschool-level activities for their students

Students at elite Georgetown University can find a safe space tomorrow to color and drink hot chocolate.

As Washington, D.C. goes into lockdown over potential election violence, the Catholic Jesuit university is offering students a way to decompress, according to The Free Press.

“In recognition of these stressful times all McCourt community members are welcome to gather. . . in the 3rd floor Commons to take a much needed break, joining us for mindfulness activities and snacks throughout the day,” Jacelyn Clevenger, student engagement director, wrote in an email.

There will be a “Legos Station,” “Milk and Cookies,” and tea and cocoa, according to the email.

“I wanted to ask Clevenger why college and graduate students needed milk and cookies to recover from their stress—and how being coddled in college might someday affect American diplomacy—but she didn’t respond to my calls or emails,” reporter Francesca Block wrote.

This is not the only elite university where the nation’s best can confront their stress with preschool-level activities.

Students at Harvard University can hang out with “Sunshine” a puppet today, thanks to the divinity school. Meanwhile, Virginia Tech students can “find [their] flow” today with “therapy dogs” and a “collaborative art project.”

Northwestern University will offer a “Wildcat Wellness” event tomorrow. Students at the elite university can enjoy “puzzles, crafts, games, snacks, and a variety of brain break activities set up to help you reset, ground yourself, and enjoy connection with our Wildcat community.”

 

[Ishtar]

The things mentally ill people who live online obsess over

 

[Ishtar]

Something you never had


No it isn't, it's the opposite. this is only a normal opinion to the chronically online Reddit lolbertarians

No you're a gypsy and they're not white you're basically Hindu street shitter.

The age of consent is as low as 12 in some areas so just because some places say you can doesn't mean you should. 16 isn't any more of an adult than 14 so a 14 and 16 year old is acceptable but 16 and 20 isn't.

You are an actual child predator.

This user thinks child rape is hilarious and is only mad due to projection btw

 

[Gore San]

This user thinks child rape is hilarious and is only mad due to projection btw

You being raped as a child and supporting continuing the cycle of abuse is actually hilarious because it is proving my point that only the most mentally damaged people would advocate for what you do. In the same way that watching you be raped to death by paki sand niggers and beheaded so it can be mounted as a trophy would be hilarious because you deserve it.

 

[Gore San]

I care about the things mentally ill people who live online like me obsess over, imagine hating grooming and child rape. I'm such a pedophile and proud of it. MAP pride!

 

[Frosty Fetus]

I think ishtar went to her local elementary school to decompress and release some stress