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I'd ask for you to show me, but from the time I've spent on here so far it seems like even other users who have been here longer than I have are still debating about this whole subject. Tbh, I'm just not interested in it enough to try to debate it out, I'm on my way out of these places and said what I did to offer an alternative explanation for Josh's behavior toward her for people who still aren't convinced they're the same person because I really don't think it had anything to do with them being in a secret relationship or her sending nudes or anything like that. I think she had a crush on him and he saw her as a tool he could use, and that's all, but of course my statements are just hearsay so I'll let you guys continue to hash it out.
I'd ask for you to show me, but from the time I've spent on here so far it seems like even other users who have been here longer than I have are still debating about this whole subject. Tbh, I'm just not interested in it enough to try to debate it out, I'm on my way out of these places and said what I did to offer an alternative explanation for Josh's behavior toward her for people who still aren't convinced they're the same person because I really don't think it had anything to do with them being in a secret relationship or her sending nudes or anything like that. I think she had a crush on him and he saw her as a tool he could use, and that's all, but of course my statements are just hearsay so I'll let you guys continue to hash it out.
The only ones really against it here are users that are clearly doing gayops. Guntchat regular 2 is time 4 guillotines on a sock that was banned multiple times from kiwi farms posing as me to sticker spam users associated with glowie. He is contrarian for the sake of it like a hipster. That is documented too.
Josh isn't smart enough to pull off having a completely different persona and not getting sniffed out by the BP. Null being Lidl is nothing more than a funny joke, and if you take it seriously, you must have a room temperature IQ.
I think she had a crush on him and he saw her as a tool he could use, and that's all, but of course my statements are just hearsay so I'll let you guys continue to hash it out.
Girls get crushes, but girls are also very fickle and @Lunar Magma did a really good job at pointing some pivotal moments when a radfem girl would have turned against Null, but it never happened.
It's unsatisfying bc for those that think Lidl is Josh's sock account, he's not gonna demolish himself. Notice that Lidl will not call Josh a pedophile, even though most of the people Lidl attacks have less evidence of them being pedos. Notice Lidl is not attacking Josh about his Blockland posts, which are vile and filled with misogyny. Somehow those are apparently virtuous and wholesome to Lidl. Notice Lidl doesn't attack Josh over his numerous financial scams either. Any criticism with bite to it is ignored by Lidl. That's one tell for why it's all fake and Lidl isn't real.
What really happened is that Josh read this site and caught up with the thread and he's gotten the feedback to know that people are not believing his roleplay larp anymore. Lidl is Josh's sock. Josh read my and other's posts where we agreed Lidl literally never disagrees with Josh on any issue. So he's course-correcting by pretending Lidl is mad that users are throwing around the "hole" word. Notice Lidl's hate is not even directed at Josh himself but to other vague misogynist male users. So Josh is getting a free get-out-out-jail-free card from Lidl. How nice of "her." So he's putting the account on ice for now, bc we realized it was him with 95% certainty. Lmao.
Josh isn't smart enough to pull off having a completely different persona and not getting sniffed out by the BP. Null being Lidl is nothing more than a funny joke, and if you take it seriously, you must have a room temperature IQ.
Some people really can't deal with Josh having a """girlfriend""", even if the relationship is nothing more than simping in exchange for forum power (the most pathetic form of power that exists).
they're not the same and you can easily test it
just give any information to lidl that is to go to other people and also josh
you will see that lidl does a perfectly fine job transmitting that information to other people
but that when it reaches josh theres just immediate confusion
a good example is when gen chat was laughing at the looksmaxxing forum that null covered on mati
for some reason he like could not bring himself to pay attention to any of the funny parts people, including lidl, tried to point out to him
This was posted in Josh's thread a week ago, but the "holes" spat isn't the first time there's been trouble in paradise:
Summary so you don't have to subject yourselves to MATI:
Shortly before the April 18, 2025 MATI, a female Kiwi threatened to pull her support for the following reasons:
1. A user got a one-week ban for getting into a slapfight.
2. Josh opened Live Talent.
3. Josh was welcoming 4channers during the hack downtime.
4. Josh wanted to use a Hatsune Miku avatar to talk about the 4chan hack.
She saw these actions as Josh enabling the "anime manchild" crowd, and Josh hating anime was a big reason she liked him. Josh's excuses for this were:
1. The hack's Hatsune Miku/Touhou theming made him nostalgic for 2000s 4chan.
2. Undesirable 4channers (lolicons and coomers) went to 8chan.moe.
3. Live Talent hates loli vtubers so much that they doxed Shondo.
The complaint about the one-week ban probably refers to Lidl being banned on April 15 for slapfighting with CallmeCicada. Josh mentions that he gave this person and the other women on the site (though he mentions her specifically) Beauty Parlor to run as they see fit (1:37:28). Beauty Parlor didn't really become womyn's space until Lidl made the manhate thread, so Josh is talking about Lidl when he says that he gave "her" (singular as opposed to plural) that space.
The points Josh makes in his defense are shaky at best and false at worst.
The first point is a nothingburger. The second point is willfully naive, considering how many under the radar coomers (including lolicons) KF has.
The third point is a lie. I remember when Shondo first came on KF's radar. Someone in the Live Talent meta thread asked Josh for a Shondo fan thread. Josh said no, and then the lolicon/shotacon thread regulars, most of whom are not vtuber fans, doxed Shondo. Live Talent had nothing to do with the dox; the main lolcow people did.
Josh sold Lidl one willfully naive statement and an outright lie. He said that Lidl threatened to pull support. Lidl has mentioned donating crypto to Josh. Josh defends Lidl because she (literally) patronizes him. The real question is what Lidl is doing for Josh that makes him defend her like this? Is it money? Sex? Professional connections?
In the Rev Says Desu thread, Lidl mentioned that she followed Cafebeef (edgy Twitter femboy) on lolcow.farm as a personal cow. Lidl has mentioned using lolcow.farm other times. Searching "cafebeef lolcow.farm" returns the following threads:
See if you can find an anon in these threads who posts in a firey, scathing way about hating autistic males and using social Darwinism and dysgenics as an explanation for male degeneracy. Who does that remind us of? >but lots of radfems talk like that
I've seen a lot of online radfems and I've only seen Lidl (and KFers influenced by her) talk about autism as the root of all evil and dysgenics as the root of incels.
You'll see an anon with the same writing style in those threads mentioning dumping a guy after finding out he secretly watched hentai. I remember that when the manhate thread was first made, Lidl complained about guys in middle school looking at hentai of Misty from Pokemon (or something like that, it was 2 years ago). It looks like Lidl got traumatized by hentai in middle school (EPI?), generalized male anime fans as being into hentai, got retraumatized when she found out her boyfriend was into hentai, and generalized all men as hentai gooners unless proven otherwise. This is a hot button for her -- she seemed genuinely distressed when Elon released that Grok Vtuber thing. She escapes to Kiwi Farms because Null hates anime and lolicon, and she slapfights with anime avatars because they're intruders in her safe space. This extends to MATI, so she copies Josh's opinions. Lidl will be back if KF, MATI, and Josh are this significant in her life.
I don't think Lidl is a Josh sock. It's easy (and funny) to believe that, but why would Josh post about random Twitter femboys on lolcow.farm rather than bring the traffic to his own site?
Signing up as a former kiwisister and something of a BP "insider" to comment on this. Lidl Drip and Josh are not the same person, and I'd wager they hardly even spoke in private. He liked her because he saw her as an asset. She was a very active user, provided a lot of content, staunchly defended him, and acted as a sort of bridge to the female demographic of the site. He probably considered her the unofficial head of the kiwisisters, which was great for him because that's work his retarded male brain didn't have to do to expand his influence. He might be very confused about why his "retarded holes" statement caused such a change, but the fact is that any woman on the site who has been following his cause and is honest with herself knows she's been making excuses on his behalf for a long time in the hopes that it would serve "the greater good". I understand now that he's simply incompetent. It doesn't really matter how many podcasts he gets himself onto, his popularity peaks with schizos and major changes to society will come from other people who are more competent.
I'm so glad Lidl left, and I wish her the very best in life. I hope the BP users who interacted with her post about leaving follow suit the way I did. KF is a waste of our time, we cannot trust a womens interest group led by a man, and our efforts are far better spent building up with other women.
I read this entire thread before posting the first time and nothing in it convinced me they're the same person. There's no evidence for it. And you could say, well, there's no evidence that they're different people, and that would be true, too. But it's the simplest explanation. Null needing a female sockpuppet to seethe and attack users doesn't make a lot of sense when he does exactly that already on his account and the podcast all the time.
Imagine if Lidl were real, that would be such a shit relationship. You spend all day on a niche gossip forum defending your "boyfriend" while he scams his userbase to be findomed by asian men.
Thank God Lidl is just a figment of Nulls imagination.
i talked to lidl a lot, for years
im into the theory that theyre the same person its very funny to me
but they seem like different people to me just personally
Josh seems like he has like can't pay attention to anything
but you can explain things to lidl
if they're the same person its a total jekyll and hyde situation lol
i talked to lidl a lot, for years
im into the theory that theyre the same person its very funny to me
and they seem like different people to me just personally
Josh seems like he has like can't pay attention to anything
but you can explain to lidl
if they're the same person its a total jekyll and hyde situation lol
Idk why anyone's arguing with the people who believe the sock narrative. Someone could dox Lidl Drip tomorrow and prove it's her without a shadow of a doubt and people would still try to call it a 5D chess psyop by Jewsh to trick everybody or some other grade A copium. It's a total sunk cost fallacy at this point, people just don't want to admit that they were wrong.
The character of Lidl is a hardcore moid h8in, anti porn radfem, but "she" is totally OK with Null hosting revenge porn of an at risk, drug addicted woman in the DSP thread, Lidl is totally fine with exploiting this one woman because it impresses the Moids... who "she" hates. Not only is Lidl fine with it, "she" has never brought it up, even after Null told DSP "I can't unfuck your sister" to impress two creeps on a Kino Casino stream.
Lidl got more angry about an anime watermelon than the sexual exploitation of an at risk woman.
Josh isn't smart enough to pull off having a completely different persona and not getting sniffed out by the BP. Null being Lidl is nothing more than a funny joke, and if you take it seriously, you must have a room temperature IQ.
If Josh and Lidl were both telling the truth, Lidl is in fact a real person (belgian btw even though she's never spoken french), AND they've rarely if ever even interacted privately, AND FURTHERMORE they STILL behaved how they did towards each other and other users on the site, flagrantly simping and irrationally defending each other until the bitter end
then that's just really sad & pathetic from both of them.
it seems weird for null to support any ideology which doesn't directly benefit him. Seriously, if lidl drip is null this basically indicates that null is absolutely crazy. Like actually mentally ill if he could just create a new convincing person in his head. How come we've never seen this before?
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